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Re: USAGE: Thorn vs Eth

From:Tristan McLeay <kesuari@...>
Date:Wednesday, July 10, 2002, 6:45
On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 16:36, Ray Brown wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 12:47 , Christophe Grandsire wrote: > > > En réponse à Tristan McLeay <kesuari@...>: > > > >> > >> We thought you were going to provide words for us to borrow to > >> strengthen the phonemicity of them? We were trying to be advanced and > >> ahead of our times so that we wouldn't have any trouble learning > >> French > >> when they invaded us and brought their bizarre phonemes along. Pity we > >> came prepared with /T/ but not with even an allophonic [Z], isn't it? > >> > > > > Yep, not very clairvoyant those English ;)))) . > > Oh dear - this is getting worse and worse - error compounding error.
I guess this is what you get for not knowing much/anything about Old French. Thanks for all the corrections/alertings.
> The Old French were *not* the same as the modern French. _They_ did > not have /Z/ - they still pronounced words like 'damage', 'gentle' etc with > /dZ/ which was similar enough to the Old English sound written {cg} to > keep my ancestors happy.
True enough, I guess. I was thinking of 'beige' and 'regime'. Which are modern French borrowings. But that doesn't stop people from pronouncing them with /dZ/s.
> And Old French _did_ have the sounds [D] and [T]. The English 'faith', e. > g., > is derived from Old French 'feit' [fEiT] - they were positional variants > of /d/ > and /t/ and eventually died out.
Really? Interesting. Tristan