irregular conlangs -- Gender
From: | Ed Heil <edheil@...> |
Date: | Friday, October 8, 1999, 22:31 |
And IIRC, "gender" just comes from "genus, generis," meaning "type;"
its meaning of "sex" is entirely a consequence of IE languages sorting
things into "types" according to which sex or lack thereof they
belonged to.
(I wonder whether "sex" itself has a similar origin? I've no
resources at hand to look it up...)
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Don Blaheta wrote:
> Quoth mathias lassailly:
> > Dans un courrier dat=E9 du 08/10/99 11:56:46 , Paul a =E9crit :
> > > This strikes me as being the remnant of a complex Gender system in
> > > proto-japanese.
> > > =20
> > > Is there any truth in that?
> >=20
> > it's all chinese-rooted classificators.
> > except for the last one (-tsu) and i'd bet for -ri (people) and -ka
(day).
> > and now thinking of it i realize there are tens more. but all of them=
are
SJ.
> > rather than proto-japanese i'd say it's prothese-japanese.
> >=20
> > what do you mean by "gender" ?
> > we europeans and else have man, woman and optionally castrated,
> > but that's never been the case in japanese.
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> Grammatical gender doesn't have anything to do with physical gender, at
> least not necessarily. In the European languages we still call them
> "masculine", "feminine", and sometimes "neuter", but it's really just a
> class system. How feminine is a door, really (la fen=EAtre, die T=FCr)=
? So
> by "gender" in this instance, we refer to whether something is a flat
> thing other than a runway, tennis court, or pond, or in fact a runway,
> court, or pond, or yet some other "gender" of word. :)
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> --=20
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