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Mysterious sounds (was: Hebrew?)

From:Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Friday, October 1, 2004, 17:38
On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 10:56 , Rodlox wrote:

> does Hebrew have any sounds like æÆ or œ in it? (or are those soley > Greek > novelties?). *curious*
Eeeek!!! Why Greek????? Neither the sound [æ] nor the sound [œ] exist in Greek or, as far as we know, were ever standard in Greek. As for Æ, what _sound_ is that meant to indicate? They are certainly *not* Greek novelties, whatever else they may be. ========================================================== On Friday, October 1, 2004, at 01:17 , Steg Belsky wrote:
> On Oct 1, 2004, at 2:49 AM, Rodlox wrote: >>> Your message came through to my computer with a lower-case aesh and a >>> capital aesh, and then a lowercase OE ligature ("oesh"?). Those don't >>> seem to make sense in context, so what were you actually asking about? >> >> one looks like a conjoined AE....and hte other, like a conjoined OE. >> btw, what's a "ligature"? *curious* > > Oh, then that *is* what you meant?
I well understand Steg's comment "Those don't seem to make sense in context"; indeed, they make no sense in the context, as I explained above.
> "ligature" = more than one letter written as one. i.e. your > 'conjoined' letters. > So the question is, what *sounds* do you mean by AE and OE?
Yes, indeed. What are the sounds? Both [æ] and [œ]are used in IPA to denote sounds but AFAIK Æ is not.
> I can > think of a number of possibilities for each one, based on their use in > Latin, Old English, Modern English, French, and other languages.
Yes, but not for Greek which does not use the Roman alphabet or any symbols remotely like the ones Rodlox gave. So I ask Rodlox: What are the _sounds_ you mean by "æÆ or œ"? Why do you ascribe them to Greek? *curious* Ray =============================================== =============================================== Anything is possible in the fabulous Celtic twilight, which is not so much a twilight of the gods as of the reason." [JRRT, "English and Welsh" ]


Rodlox <rodlox@...>