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Re: Stress and consonants

From:John Vertical <johnvertical@...>
Date:Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 10:05
For yet another example, there's a soundchange posited erly in the history
of Balto-Fennic where consonants lenite (t: > t, nt> nd, t > D etc.) if 1)
suffix-initial and 2) preceded by an unstressed syllable. So that's two
unusual conditioning factors in the same package. I get the impression its
existence is considered a bit iffy, however.

I've also heard a few modern Finnish accents/dialects where /n/ is flapped
to [4~] medially after an unstressed syllable.

(Mark Reed:)
>By [}] I assume you mean IPA [æ]? Unless you explicitly indicate that >you're using unmodified X-SAMPA (or whatever), I think SOP on this >list is to assume CXS, in which that sound is rendered as [&] and [}] >has an entirely different meaning...
Shouldn't be much of a bother since [{ }] are not segments at all in CXS? (Eric Christopherson:)
> > I've always been a little skeptical of the claim that the third one > > is a tap/flap; in my dialect it sounds like /d/ and not very much > > like the Spanish /4/ that I'm familiar with. Besides that, sometimes > > I hear people who definitely *do* use [4], and it sounds odd to me.
That's probably the phonetic difference between a tap and a flap, then. AFAIK a tap is a single-contact trill while a flap is, well, a flap, and they do sound slightly different. I've seen the flap occasionally transcribed with a small capital D when wishing to differentiate. Z-SAMPA seems to use [d\]. Don't ask me which is the English [4] and which the Spanish, tho. I can't hear the difference myself. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Uutisista turhaan tietoon. Mitä ikinä etsitkin, MSN Search löytää hakemasi. http://search.msn.fi

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Roger Mills <rfmilly@...>YAE/SPT flapped [t] vs. [4] (was: Stress and consonants)