Re: new lang: karath

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:17:15 -0800 Joseph Fatula <fatula3@...>
writes:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert B Wilson" <han_solo55@...>
> To: <CONLANG@...>
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: new lang: karath
>
>
> > > Are these examples the only labialized and palatalized
> consonants?
> > > For
> > > example, could I have "gw" or "dnj"?
> >
> > no, they are not the only labialized and palatalized consonants.
> > there can be "gw", "dnj", or even "tnwj" (a labialized palatalized
> > voiceless nasal... i bet no natlang has that :))
>
> I've certainly never seen tnwj in any language before!  Having these
> markers
> for various phonetic functions is a nice way to expand the wealth of
> your
> spelling system.
>
> > > > direct article: -h-
> > > >         _geb_ 'word', _gheb_ 'the word'
> > > >         _kar_ 'person', _khar_ 'the person
> > >
> > > How do you know where to put the "-h-"?  Is it always after the
> first
> > > consonant, or before the last vowel?  If "kobîln" means "cowboy",
> > > then is
> > > "the cowboy" : "khobîln" or "kobhîln"?
> >
> > usually before the last vowel.  in compounds the -h- goes before
> the last
> > vowel of the head word.
>
> And just to make sure I've got your transcription right, "dha tigr
> grolnd"
> would sound a lot like "the tiger growled", right?
it would be written 'tigar', but other than that, yes.

> > usually after the last vowel, after the last vowel of the head
> word in
> > compounds.
>
> This makes sense.
>
> > the two that are prefixes were originally independent words. _bnâ_
> is
> > related to the verb _bnâl_ meaning 'to be able'. _wô_ is the
> > interrogative pronoun.
> > _-tnukh_ and _-(e)tnkhetn_ were originally phrases.
> > the (e) is required when a cluster of four consonants (nasals,
> > fricatives, labialized, and palatalized consonants each count as
> one
> > consonant) would result or when a cluster CRC (C=any consonand,
> R='r',
> > 'l', or any nasal) would result.
>
> Neat.  I like it.  Giving the language some history is the best way
> to make
> it seem a little more real, at least to me.
>
> > the vowel prefix is used to show what noun and adjective go
> together.
> > the prefix can be any vowel as long as the same vowel is prefixed
> to the
> > adjective and the noun.
> > this can also be used with verbs and nouns to avoid possible
> ambiguity.
>
> Now this is a cool feature!  Disambiguation affixes that are
> unrelated to
> any case/gender/etc.  I like it.  Would you mind if I use it in one
> of my
> languages?
i don't mind.  i think i may have seen this feature somewhere before, but
i'm not sure where.

> > here's a sample:
> >
> > bhaêrg murkat ral ghaerdn othadn khaêrg ethak etal ekea êdnadn otor
> > obnabnar phaldnhlô bno kae e arathlô abhilnathen
> >
> > love.PAST.3sg God.AGNT so_much world.DEF.PAT therefore give.PAT.3sg
> > e.son.PAT e.only 3.3sg.GEN so_that o.one_who o.beleive
> die.FUT.SUBJ not
> > that.PAT and a.live.FUT.SUBJ a.forever
>
> I like the sound of it, presuming I'm reading it correctly.  It has
> a very
> nice feel to it.  If you've got any more interesting stuff like
> this, please
> post it.  Even if no one else would be interested, I sure would be.
well, i have stuff about most of my conlangs at my website:
http://kuvazokad.free.fr.

> Joe Fatula
> And if you'd like, take a look at the language I just posted a
> description
> of yesterday, Tácakta.
looks interesting.