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Re: new lang: karath

From:Robert B Wilson <han_solo55@...>
Date:Saturday, December 7, 2002, 22:35
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:17:15 -0800 Joseph Fatula <fatula3@...>
writes:
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert B Wilson" <han_solo55@...> > To: <CONLANG@...> > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: new lang: karath > > > > > Are these examples the only labialized and palatalized > consonants? > > > For > > > example, could I have "gw" or "dnj"? > > > > no, they are not the only labialized and palatalized consonants. > > there can be "gw", "dnj", or even "tnwj" (a labialized palatalized > > voiceless nasal... i bet no natlang has that :)) > > I've certainly never seen tnwj in any language before! Having these > markers > for various phonetic functions is a nice way to expand the wealth of > your > spelling system. > > > > > direct article: -h- > > > > _geb_ 'word', _gheb_ 'the word' > > > > _kar_ 'person', _khar_ 'the person > > > > > > How do you know where to put the "-h-"? Is it always after the > first > > > consonant, or before the last vowel? If "kobîln" means "cowboy", > > > then is > > > "the cowboy" : "khobîln" or "kobhîln"? > > > > usually before the last vowel. in compounds the -h- goes before > the last > > vowel of the head word. > > And just to make sure I've got your transcription right, "dha tigr > grolnd" > would sound a lot like "the tiger growled", right?
it would be written 'tigar', but other than that, yes.
> > usually after the last vowel, after the last vowel of the head > word in > > compounds. > > This makes sense. > > > the two that are prefixes were originally independent words. _bnâ_ > is > > related to the verb _bnâl_ meaning 'to be able'. _wô_ is the > > interrogative pronoun. > > _-tnukh_ and _-(e)tnkhetn_ were originally phrases. > > the (e) is required when a cluster of four consonants (nasals, > > fricatives, labialized, and palatalized consonants each count as > one > > consonant) would result or when a cluster CRC (C=any consonand, > R='r', > > 'l', or any nasal) would result. > > Neat. I like it. Giving the language some history is the best way > to make > it seem a little more real, at least to me. > > > the vowel prefix is used to show what noun and adjective go > together. > > the prefix can be any vowel as long as the same vowel is prefixed > to the > > adjective and the noun. > > this can also be used with verbs and nouns to avoid possible > ambiguity. > > Now this is a cool feature! Disambiguation affixes that are > unrelated to > any case/gender/etc. I like it. Would you mind if I use it in one > of my > languages?
i don't mind. i think i may have seen this feature somewhere before, but i'm not sure where.
> > here's a sample: > > > > bhaêrg murkat ral ghaerdn othadn khaêrg ethak etal ekea êdnadn otor > > obnabnar phaldnhlô bno kae e arathlô abhilnathen > > > > love.PAST.3sg God.AGNT so_much world.DEF.PAT therefore give.PAT.3sg > > e.son.PAT e.only 3.3sg.GEN so_that o.one_who o.beleive > die.FUT.SUBJ not > > that.PAT and a.live.FUT.SUBJ a.forever > > I like the sound of it, presuming I'm reading it correctly. It has > a very > nice feel to it. If you've got any more interesting stuff like > this, please > post it. Even if no one else would be interested, I sure would be.
well, i have stuff about most of my conlangs at my website: http://kuvazokad.free.fr.
> Joe Fatula
> And if you'd like, take a look at the language I just posted a > description > of yesterday, Tácakta.
looks interesting.