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Re: "Usefull languages"

From:J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>
Date:Wednesday, February 13, 2002, 20:29
In a message dated 2002.02.12 01.58.25 PM, florian.rivoal@ENS.INSA-RENNES.FR

>Please tell me what you think interstng in nat langs you know. >
5 of my favourite Intriguin' NatLangs are: ~ ~ ~ 1} Bislama [also known as "Beche-Le-Mer"/"Bichelamar"] = one of 3 official national languages of the Republic of Vanuatu (English and French being the other 2). Bislama has gone from being an English-lexifier pidgin to being a creole (Bislama is related to Papua New Guinea's Tok Pisin, another nation's creole/official language). One - purely whimsical - reason I like this NatLang is that it is named after an edible sea slug - which happens to be a majorly favourite seafood of mine & other Chinese ::salivatin':: ;P~~ Another reason is that Bislama happens to exist in "one of the most linguistically diverse regions anywhere in the world" (_Lonely Planet Pidgin Phrasebook: Pidgin Languages of Oceania_, p. 13) which makes Bislama rather intriguin' in its implications in regards to the creation of *GASP!* AuxLangs - or in this list's case, ConAuxLangs: "It would be ironic if the answer to Babel were pidgin and not Pentecost." (George Steiner, _After Babel: Aspects of Language & Translation_) Purely linguistic reasons are that Bislama is IMHO a great example of a language functioning with a rather limited lexicon (sorta like BASIC English but better ;) and much more "poetic", "imagistic") and it has a very forgiving, user-friendly phonemic spelling system; i.e.: "index finger" is _nambawan fingga_; "revolver" is _han gan_; "nuclear free zone" is _eria we i tabu long karem ol niuklia samting i kam insaed long hem_; "science" is _saens_ and "scientific" is _folem fasin blong saens_ and "computer science" is _saens blong kompiuta_ ; "revolution" is _fasin blong jenisim evri sistem blong gavman wantaem nomo_ ; "synthesizer" [musical] is _lektrik (miusik) kibod_ & "electronic music" is either _lektrik (saon) miusik_ or _lektronik (saon) miusik_. Bislama is IMHO the best (& one of the most extreme) of the "Mutant/Mutating Englishes." ~ ~ ~ 2} Chinese Pidgin English (CPE) & it's direct descendant _Ham Soi_ (Nauruan Chinese Pidgin English)... For the past 2 years, I have been collecting more materials and sources as I can on CPE and _Ham Soi_. I currently have very little on CPE; practically nothing on _Ham Soi_. I wish to preserve sat least some of _Ham Soi_ before all the speakers/users of it disappear. I just don't have the resources - linguistically, financially and otherwise... A Chinese friend asked me why I am interested in CPE and _Ham Soi_ as these languages are cosidered by Chinese to be "bastard tongues" loaded with the "pain of the Opium Wars, Hong Kong, ShangHai'ing, Blackbirding and the exploitation of Coolies." I grinned wickedly & retorted, "Exactly why it needs to be preserved and even revived." ~ ~ ~ 3} Bahasa Indonesia - a) simple "minimalistic" syntax b) simple Romanized orthography based on fairly simple phonology c) it's a major South East Asian language d) I have relatives in Indonesia and Malaysia e) very poetic/imagistic language f) IIRC Mathias' ConLang Tunu is based somewhat directly on Bahasa Indonesia (I vaguely recall that there is another ConLang is based loosely on Bahasa Indonesia as well). ~~~ 4} Archaic Chinese - I am just getting into Archaic Chinese - mainly for the syntax system and it's Oracle Bone writing. I am esp'ly intrigued with Archaic Chinese's multivalent use of just 2 prepositions. The ancient Chinese writing seems to be "magickal" to me ;) ~~~5} "TechnoSpeak," International Scientific Vocabulary, "TechnoBabble", etc. - neologistic word-creation and language based on use (and abuse/mangling) of the combining forms of Pure Classical (Greek), Hybrid Classical (Greco-Latinate), Hybrid Classical/Vernacular (Greco-Latinate & usually polyglot English). This may not be a NatLang but it definitely is a subset of many NatLangs today. And there is a high amount of neologistic, lingua-mangler fun (*) to be had in this area IMHO ;) & it maybe even necessary. (*) a la the Futurists, Dadaists and Surrealists czHANg23, Avatar of Sun WuKong, a.k.a. "Monkey," a.k.a. "TricksterGod of the Han Chinese" ~ om hung hanumatay rudratmakai hung phat ~ - mantra to Hanuman the Hindu Monkey TricksterGod Hail to thee TricksterGods! IO THEE CHAOSGODHEAD!!! ~ thee Tru Pries ov Existenz iz Ætern'l Warfær & Creativ Playf'llniz~ - § - by hook or by crook - § -


David Starner <starner@...>
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