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Re: Case names help

From:Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Thursday, August 12, 2004, 5:34
Ah well, I guess I'd better offer my two-pennyworth   :)

On Wednesday, August 11, 2004, at 05:12 , Jim Henry wrote:

> "Mark J. Reed" wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 03:49:22PM -0400, Trebor Jung wrote: >>> My language Kosi is very agglutinative, and I don't want to use >>> postpositions. It has about twenty cases right now, but I don't have >>> names >>> for the following case-meanings. Could someone please help me with their >>> scientific names? >>> >>> above, over >> superlative? :) Kidding, but maybe not really (see "comparative" > > Hungarian uses "superessive". I would construct several of the others > by analogy.
Yep - "superlative" would imply _motion_, i.e. moving over (literally: 'carried over'). Also, of course, the word has a long been used with a different meaning. It won't do. If Trebor simply means position 'over' or 'above', then "superessive" it surely is.
>>> according to >>> after, behind >> Either of these could be the "secundive" . . .
I don't see why it would do for 'after', 'behind'. The common meaning of the preposition _secundum_ is 'according to'. "secundive" will do nicely for 'according to'. 'after'/'behind' is surely "postessive".
>>> against >> contrative > > or apudessive? contra-essive? Do you mean "at, touching the outside of" > or "right across some boundary from" or "in combative opposition to"?
Yes - we need to know the meaning of 'against'. 'at, touching' already exists in some languages and is called the "adessive". 'in opposition to' would, I guess, be "contrarietative" /k@ntr@'rajIt@tIv/ <-- Lat. contrarietas (gen. contrarietatis).
> >>> around >> circative > > circumessive
"circumessive" surely.
> >>> before, in front of, prior to >> prelative > > anteessive?
"prelative" would imply being moved to the front. "antessive" is possible, but "praeessive" /'priEsIv/ might be better.
> >>> between >> interlocative > > or interessive
Either are OK.
> >>> during >> dumative
...would suggest to a Latinist something to do with brambles or thorn bushes :)
> or dumessive
I think it better to keep -essive for ideas of place/position. In fact 'during' suggests "durative" to me, though the word is sometimes used to denote a verbal aspect.
>>> near to >> juxtative > > proximessive?
Already exists in some langs - it's called the 'adessive'.
> >>> of (=containing, e.g. group of people) >> habientive > > Or compositive?
How does this differ from 'patitive'?
>>> outside of >> extrative > > I think this is like the Finnish adessive. (Contrasted with inessive, > inside of.)
"inessive", is certainly 'inside of'; 'adessive" denotes being near or in the vicinity of (one of the meanings of 'ad' in Latin). Of course, if you are near something you must be outside of it; indeed _ad urbem_ will often translate our 'outside the city'. But the specific Latin adv. & prep. for 'outside (of)' was _extra_. The -a would elide before _esse_, but I'm not over-keen on "extressive", but it seems to me better than "extrative" as *extratiuus would not be a normal Latin formation.
> >>> under >> subterative > > Or subessive?
"subessive" surely. Ray =============================================== (home) (work) =============================================== "A mind which thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language." J.G. Hamann, 1760