Re: Case names help
|From:||Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>|
|Date:||Thursday, August 12, 2004, 5:34|
Ah well, I guess I'd better offer my two-pennyworth :)
On Wednesday, August 11, 2004, at 05:12 , Jim Henry wrote:
> "Mark J. Reed" wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 03:49:22PM -0400, Trebor Jung wrote:
>>> My language Kosi is very agglutinative, and I don't want to use
>>> postpositions. It has about twenty cases right now, but I don't have
>>> for the following case-meanings. Could someone please help me with their
>>> scientific names?
>>> above, over
>> superlative? :) Kidding, but maybe not really (see "comparative"
> Hungarian uses "superessive". I would construct several of the others
> by analogy.
Yep - "superlative" would imply _motion_, i.e. moving over (literally:
'carried over'). Also, of course, the word has a long been used with a
different meaning. It won't do.
If Trebor simply means position 'over' or 'above', then "superessive" it
>>> according to
>>> after, behind
>> Either of these could be the "secundive" . . .
I don't see why it would do for 'after', 'behind'. The common meaning of
the preposition _secundum_ is 'according to'. "secundive" will do nicely
for 'according to'.
'after'/'behind' is surely "postessive".
> or apudessive? contra-essive? Do you mean "at, touching the outside of"
> or "right across some boundary from" or "in combative opposition to"?
Yes - we need to know the meaning of 'against'. 'at, touching' already
exists in some languages and is called the "adessive".
'in opposition to' would, I guess, be "contrarietative" /k@ntr@'rajIt@tIv/
<-- Lat. contrarietas (gen. contrarietatis).
>>> before, in front of, prior to
"prelative" would imply being moved to the front. "antessive" is possible,
but "praeessive" /'priEsIv/ might be better.
> or interessive
Either are OK.
...would suggest to a Latinist something to do with brambles or thorn
> or dumessive
I think it better to keep -essive for ideas of place/position. In fact
'during' suggests "durative" to me, though the word is sometimes used to
denote a verbal aspect.
>>> near to
Already exists in some langs - it's called the 'adessive'.
>>> of (=containing, e.g. group of people)
> Or compositive?
How does this differ from 'patitive'?
>>> outside of
> I think this is like the Finnish adessive. (Contrasted with inessive,
> inside of.)
"inessive", is certainly 'inside of'; 'adessive" denotes being near or in
the vicinity of (one of the meanings of 'ad' in Latin). Of course, if you
are near something you must be outside of it; indeed _ad urbem_ will often
translate our 'outside the city'. But the specific Latin adv. & prep. for
'outside (of)' was _extra_. The -a would elide before _esse_, but I'm not
over-keen on "extressive", but it seems to me better than "extrative" as
*extratiuus would not be a normal Latin formation.
> Or subessive?
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