verbs = nouns? (in Hebrew)

On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:28:35 +0200 Dan Sulani <dnsulani@...>
writes:
>     This is true, but I don't think that it is common. The only
> other examples
> (using the  _o_e_  vowel pattern like /Somer/) that I could think of
> are  /boged/ , which means both "he betrays" and "a traitor", and
> /Soter/ which means both "policeman" and  "he punishes"
> (However, although the verb-sense is in the dictionary,
> I've never heard anyone use it. People say /ma'aniS/ for
> "he punishes" [ and the noun, "punishment", is  /'oneS/  ]  )
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Wow, i never heard of ShTtR being used as a verb at all.  If i heard it i
would assume it meant something to do with "policing" and not
punishment..

>     Counter-examples are numerous. For example: (_o_e_ as verb)
>     /loxets/ = he pressures    vs      /laxats/ = pressure
>     /gonev/ = he steals           vs     /ganav/ = thief
>     /'omed/ = he stands         vs     /'amud/ = pillar
>
>                     and the opposite pattern (_o_e_ as noun)
>
>     /kohen/ = priest                     vs   /mekahen/ = he
> officiates
>    /golem/ = shapeless matter  vs  /megalem/ = he plays a part (in a
> play)
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/megalem/.... now *that's* a useful verb.  I think i've been using
/mesaxek/ all this time :-) .
Although would it matter (at least etymologically) that /kohen/ is
spelled without a vav?  And by /golem/ do you mean like The Golem,
vav-less and with a segol, or is it actually the same pattern as /Somer/,
etc.?

>     And so on.  IME, modern Hebrew uses different vowel
> patterns/affixes
> to distinguish present tense verbs from nouns in most cases.
>
>
> Dan Sulani
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-Stephen (Steg)
 "!éãä à óìë"
 "!èåðä à óì'ë äà"
 (àé'úà ,à'úáùä å'úå'ú à óìë ,'úçù ...äéà)

PS- i don't remember if you responded to it... did you see a few months
(or maybe less) ago when i mentioned that i had found a book on
children's acquisition of Hebrew at my campus bookstore's random book
sale?  it talked about the *_`alo_ for _alav_ issue, among other things.