Re: A little entertainment
|From:||Irina Rempt <ira@...>|
|Date:||Monday, March 20, 2000, 19:42|
On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, Padraic Brown wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, Sally Caves wrote:
> >Or 5. Change the syntax of the subclause. In Teonaht
> >it mirrors that of the main clause:
> > Or, even, in some forms of T:
> > Il lorfa-vim rinil beto revpomennyve elry ke.
> > The she-wolf with-eating-of-the-boy I saw.
> > WHEW!
> Eka-he welham-cam paratahatomtel wehhetim.
> I-and wolf-the boy-eating-LOC saw
Both of you, does that mean "I saw the she-wolf that had eaten the
boy" or "I saw the she-wolf eating the boy"?
vethea chalun lea hanea cronesat
wolf-acc-s see-PST-1s REL boy-acc-s eat-PRF-PRS-3s
"I saw the wolf that had eaten the boy"
implying that the boy had been devoured before I saw the wolf, or
vethea chalun lea hanea cronat
wolf-acc-s see-PST-1s REL boy-acc-s eat-PRS-3s
"I saw the wolf that ate the boy"
implying that the meal was in progress when I saw it.
On a side note, Valdyan nests relative clauses only when they apply
to the subject, not when they apply to the object:
veth lea hanea cronesat dosta mustynat
wolf-nom-s REL boy-acc-s eat-PRF-PRS-3s dog-acc-s fight-PNC-PRS-3s
"The wolf that has eaten the boy fights the dog"
veth dosta mustynat lea hanea cronesat
wolf-nom-s dog-acc-s fight-PNC-PRS-3s REL boy-acc-s eat-PRF-PRS-3s
can only mean
"The wolf fights the dog that has eaten the boy"
and this is ungrammatical:
* veth dosta lea hanea cronesat mustynat
wolf-nom-s dog-acc-s REL boy-acc-s eat-PRF-PRS-3s fight-PNC-PRS-3s
If the antecedent is the object of the relative clause, it's resumed
by the object pronoun _le_:
veth lea dost le mustynat hanea cronesat
wolf-nom-s REL dog-nom-s RES fight-PRS-3s boy-acc-s eat-PRF-PRS-3s
"The wolf that the dog fights has eaten a/the boy"
even when it's also the object of the main clause:
vethea chalan lea dost le mustynat
wolf-acc-s see-PRS-1s REL dog-nom-s RES fight-PRS-3s
"I see the wolf that the dog fights"
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