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Re: Dyirbal?

From:Wesley Parish <wes.parish@...>
Date:Saturday, November 20, 2004, 3:15
Quoting Roger Mills <rfmilly@...>:

> Wesley Parish wrote: > > > Austronesian languages are derived from a proto-Austronesian language > > spoken > > in Taiwan around about 3 000 years ago. > > Make that more like 4-5000 B.C.E (6-7000 years ago). Otherwise you've > given > a very good summary of what's currently known/believed.
> > The residents must've got restless > > and shifted further south, until Austronesian is the world's most > widely > > scattered stone-age era language family, with speakers spread from > > Madagascar > > to Easter Island and Hawai'i. The only place the Australian languages > met > > the Austronesian languages was around Darwin/Arnhem Land, where there > was > > a > > scattered trading trips from Indonesia; > > I imagine you're referring to the known contacts (certainly beginning > early > in the C.E. if not before, and lasting up to around 1900 IIRC) with > Makassarese sailor/traders and their polyglot crews who visited that > area to > collect tripang ("sea cucumber") for the Chinese market. Because of the
Yes. It's common knowledge to anyone who cares to read a bit of the background of that part of the world. I read Xavier Herbert's two novels, Capricornia and Poor Fellow My Country and read a bit of back-up history to make sure he wasn't pulling my leg. ;)
> monsoon wind patterns, they had to hang around for about 6 months > before > they could sail home; some of the loan words detected involve some very > naughty sexual practices.......(I have an article somewhere if you're > interested)
(pant pant pant pant - tongue hanging out ;) Yes please! (I've got one central character of my novel, Praleyo, being accused of various sexual practices with the other central character Vheratsho, and wanting to take note - primarily to shock her - she's savage and vicious, but very, very proper in certain regards. Her mind is compartmentalized ... ;)
> > It could be that if anyone familiar with both Australian and > Austronesian > (more specifically I think, Indonesian) languages took a really good > look,
You mean the various languages of the Indonesian archipelago, as opposed to Bahasa Indonesia. I learnt a bit of Bahasa in Deakin High in Canberra, but I suffered from the Eurocentric worldview at that stage, as did my fellow adolescent school-sufferers. Nusuth. I'll just have to brush it off and dig it up, and try to find info on Australian languages and Indonesian languages etc, maybe even beg the aid of a few Indonesian language speakers - if I can find them.
> they might find other areas :-) A long time ago I watched a > Natl.Georgraphic program on the Gagadu (Kakadu?) people of Cape York > (?)-- > it mentioned their animal totem, the sea eagle 'mara(vw)uti'-- at the > time I > was researching some languages of the Timor area, and noted a word > (wv)uti > 'to seize, grab', with a compound .....wuti that meant, indeed, sea > eagle. > Coincidence?
Doubt it. Cape York's the peninsular almost reaching the belly of the New Guinea island - Torres Strait's in between. I had never thought of that as being part of the Makassarese sailor/traders stomping ground, but it's only a hop skip and a jump away, and it's not inconceivable.
Wesley Parish "Sharpened hands are happy hands. "Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands" - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge "I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot!" I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press