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German 'duzen' and 'siezen' - etymology ?

From:Carsten Becker <carbeck@...>
Date:Thursday, October 19, 2006, 18:49
Sorry, this was meant to go to the List, not only to Doug.

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From: Carsten Becker <carbeck@...>
Date: 19.10.2006 17:19
Subject: Re: German 'duzen' and 'siezen' - etymology ?
To: Doug Barr <lingoman@...>

From: "Doug Barr" <lingoman@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:08 PM

>I remember being shocked speechless on a student exchange >trip to Québec - I'd previously gone to a boarding school >there and become bilingual, but of course boarding schools >are very formal and we wouldn't have *dared* to tutoyer a >teacher. When I went to Québec, I found my exchange-mates >not only "tutoyer-ing" their teachers, but in one case >addressing a teacher to his face by a nickname, Kellogg >(the teacher's given name was Réal, and "c'est Réal" "it's >Réal" sounds like "céréale" "cereal," hence "Kellogg"). >Shocking! :-D
Hilarious ;-) I've never 'tutoyered' a teacher, but I know the teacher of one of the English courses back when I was in school (sigh) let herself be tutoyered by her students.
> I also find it hard to get through to English speakers > that Gaels do *not* use the equivalents of Mr. and Mrs. > with each other. My students naturally want to call me > Mr. Barr, but I have to explain to them that they should > call me Dughall but use "sibh" to me. The "sibh" part, > they get - but calling me by my first name goes against > the grain of English politeness...
But then I've been taught that English speakers often address each other by their first name -- much more quickly at least than Germans, who are rather formal in this respect. E.g. I'm only 20 but I'm throughout referred to as "Herr Becker" at work. At vocational school, teachers use _Sie_ and the first name usually. It's also strange that a co-worker of mine in the department I'm currently in is _Sie_ for me as a matter of fact despite of her only being 4 years older than me, while a co-trainee of mine is also 24 and he's definitely _Du_. Yours, Carsten -- "Miranayam kepauarà naranoaris." (Kalvin nay Hobbes) Palayena, Nankyu 22, 2316 ya 23:08:25 pd


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