Re: Pronouns revised and word generation

--- Kala Tunu <kalatunu@...> wrote:
> Date:    Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:16:59 -0800
> Clint Jackson Baker <litrex1@...> wrote:
> Pronouns revised and word generation
>
> zebra= kehinekakwili =kehi "black" + neka "white +
> kwili "horse"
> This is fun!
> """""""""""""""""""""""""""""
> very nice indeed, with a definitely exotic feel :)
> are all the root words
> C(S)VCV? what are the allowed consonants? no /p/?
> you said you're a "logician" (what's that btw?
> sounds terrific) so did you
> rationally build the patterns of root words and
> affixes? is it semi or wholy
> logical?
--A logician is just a kind of philosopher,
specializing in logic.  The language is somewhat
logical.  I've moved somewhat away from some plans,
like using the five vowels and two consonants to
produce monosyllabic numerals, and also using a
similar plan to describe what I consider to be the ten
basic colors.  That was *too* artificial.  But in
producing pronouns and suchlike, it's been very nice.

> when will your lang be online?
--It'll be awhile.  I want to generate a decent
vocabulary and grammar first.  Meanwhile, I'm saving
space at: www.geocities.com/litrex1 , but beware: I
put a counter on it which I think has a serious bug.

 i can't wait Patrick
> Dunn's new conlang to be
> online too. it looks like this list is the field of
> an unprecedented wave of
> advance of new, yummy afraustroloid conlangs lately
> :) it will nicely balance
> with other phonological conlang categories like "my
> taylor is truely an elve"
> ("aernthël vethlunérin"), "peace may zebra-shield
> your spaceship" ("rhgevols
> orms'vulzh"), "i love pinetrees and lakes" (ukkeliva
> taloini), "native where
> there first", "randomly shaked the scrabble
> software", "i'm a barbarian but call
> me a latin", "ever climbed the Dholagiri?", etc. (i
> hope noone takes offense, i
> love them all!)
>
--Well, believe it or not, the deriviation of
"kehinekakwili" is primarily Cherokee!  I took most of
my nature terms from Cherokee, so they are generally
indigenous to the Southeastern US.  My attempt at
"zebra" was to see what would happen if I tried to
render a nature word distinctly outside that
geographic area.  The result does have an African
feel, though, doesn't it?

My consonants are:
d dl h k kw l m n s ts w y
These are all taken from the (now extinct) Eastern
Cherokee (Western did some things like allow a j and a
ch to derive from ts).  I cut out the t and g; that's
more a prejudice as a Midwesterner, for whom d/t and
k/g are often a lot alike.

My consonants are a e i o u, pronounced like Spanish
(and all the linguists cringe...)

I've been saying that dl and ts couldn't start a word,
but someone pointed out that that was a bit too
arbitrary, so I'll probably change that.

That's right, all roots are c(s)vcv.  Monosyllabic
words are conjunctions and suchlike.

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> Also, I realized that it was bad form to have a very
> rare sound (the glottal stop), so I amend my
> reflexive
> pronouns to aha-, ehe-, ...
> """"""""""""""""""""""""""""
> what's wrong with glottal stop? if your lang is kind
> of logically, user-friendly
> oriented we know it's not advisable, but otherwise
> plenty of langs use it as
> either a plain consonant (à la tahitian) or as a
> separator on the initial vowel
> of a word (à la german). do you think that h is more
> stable than an intervocalic
> glottal stop? the japanese intervocalic h has been
> dropped for w or 0 within a
> word and is voiced into b in compounds.
>
>
--Though some have already described instances of
extremely rare sounds in other languages, I stand by
my desire to keep this a bit more "user-friendly".

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> I also forgot to mention the "negative pronouns",
> which negate the agglutinating verb: ana-, ene-, ...
> """""""""""""""""""""""""""
> are pronouns the only words to have initial vowels?
> is it a specific tag for
> affixes or grammatical morphems?
>
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>
--Pronoun prefixes (subject pronouns never stand
alone; they affix to verbs, giving you the option of
not using a subject noun, like in Spanish) are the
only words beginning with a vowel.  This also helps in
more complex sentences in identifying the verb, eg
Si amesoka miha (If I need it)
The glottal stop break (existing grammatically only,
notice) between "si" and "amesoka" helps to identify
the beginning of the verb "amesoka."  Otherwise, it
sounds like:
Siya mesoka miha (I don't know what that is yet, but
it sounds similar to, "Hello needs it"!)

Dana
> Kalinida

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