Re: Phonetics Question

On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:17:22 +0100 Lars Henrik Mathiesen <thorinn@...>
writes:
>If I can be nostalgic for a moment.
>The first conlang-related thing I remember trying to do, when I was
>about 13, was an adaptation of Tengwar to Esperanto. (Don't laugh). I
>had figured out the general phonetic concepts of place of articulation
>and binary feature from Tolkien's description, and had made a grid for
>the Espo consonants. I decided that Zamenhof had made a mistake by not
>making <dz> into a single letter.
>Many years later, I had a long and involved discussion on the Espo
>list about the real and philosofical differences between <ts> and <c>.
>I think the upshot was that <dz> in Esperanto is not supposed to be an
>affricative, unlike <c>, <c^> and <g^>. Same situation as in
>Rokbeigalmi.
>Lars Mathiesen (U of Copenhagen CS Dep) <thorinn@...> (Humour NOT
>marked)
Ah, interesting...i wonder why Zamenhof used two letters, too....the
reason i did was that at the time, i thought that /dZ/ was really a
single sound, and so were /ts/ and /tS/ (which is the way i pronounce
them - as a single sound).  I was able to 'disect' the voiceless
affricates, but i didn't realize that /dz/ was related to
/dZ/....probably because i wasn't able to pronounce it as a single sound.
 It still doesn't sound right now, when i think i have figured it out.

-Stephen (Steg)

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