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Re: Phonetics Question

From:Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
Date:Friday, January 8, 1999, 3:09
On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:17:22 +0100 Lars Henrik Mathiesen <thorinn@...>
>If I can be nostalgic for a moment. >The first conlang-related thing I remember trying to do, when I was >about 13, was an adaptation of Tengwar to Esperanto. (Don't laugh). I >had figured out the general phonetic concepts of place of articulation >and binary feature from Tolkien's description, and had made a grid for >the Espo consonants. I decided that Zamenhof had made a mistake by not >making <dz> into a single letter. >Many years later, I had a long and involved discussion on the Espo >list about the real and philosofical differences between <ts> and <c>. >I think the upshot was that <dz> in Esperanto is not supposed to be an >affricative, unlike <c>, <c^> and <g^>. Same situation as in >Rokbeigalmi. >Lars Mathiesen (U of Copenhagen CS Dep) <thorinn@...> (Humour NOT >marked)
Ah, interesting...i wonder why Zamenhof used two letters, too....the reason i did was that at the time, i thought that /dZ/ was really a single sound, and so were /ts/ and /tS/ (which is the way i pronounce them - as a single sound). I was able to 'disect' the voiceless affricates, but i didn't realize that /dz/ was related to /dZ/....probably because i wasn't able to pronounce it as a single sound. It still doesn't sound right now, when i think i have figured it out. -Stephen (Steg) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]