Re : Community & fluency (was: just blank)
|From:||L. Gerholz <milo@...>|
|Date:||Saturday, October 9, 1999, 19:09|
Irina Rempt-Drijfhout wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, C. Tsuchiya wrote:
> > Mathias wrote:
> > >
> > > speaking a language identifies with an community.
> > > making a language is tantamount to denying the community.
> I disagree with *that* out of context (can't find the rest of what
> Mathias wrote); it's not as if *anything* one does on one's own is
> -erm- mental you-know-what.
> > This really struck a chord with me. I've always been quite an introvert,
> > even a misanthrope. I have often consciously rejected community,
> > although it hadn't occurred to me that my conlanging activity might be
> > an expression of that desire. I am not suggesting that this is the next
> > conlanger's purpose, but it resonates with me.
> It also resonates with me, but on a dissonance: I *know* I'm
> extraverted, and far from misanthropic, and I don't want motives like
> that pressed on me. My conlanging is an expression - one of the
> various expressions - of creating an *invented* community, not to
> replace the one I lead my daily life in, but to supplement and enrich
> it. There would be no Valdyan language without any Valdyans to speak
> it, fictitious as they are.
>I won't argue with anything you've said here. I was speaking only from
my very individual reaction to Mathias' statement. I should emphasize
that it's hardly the sole, or even initial, reason for my conlanging
activities. They are first, and foremost, a creative action, just like
my painting or other creative writing. As I've mentioned in the past, my
original conlang roots grew out of my role-playing game activities --
definitely a group endeavor. I never interpreted Mathias' statements as
being true for all, or even most, conlangers. It just struck me how true
it was for *me*.
> > On the other hand, I also agree with others who have cited the sheer
> > effort that it would take a non-conlanger to appreciate a conlang. It's
> > not quite parallel to having an aesthetic sense about natural languages.
> > I, for one, enjoy working on my languages but I'm not fluent in speaking
> > any of them. I can't just rattle off even the simplest phrases.
> > Therefore I have nothing to offer the non-linguistic person for purposes
> > of accessible aesthetic appreciation.
> Then write things! Nobody needs to know that you need, say, two hours
> to write something that can be read in two minutes.
Indeed! Nik just suggested the same thing, and I'm pondering what to
take to the office.
> > "Being bright does not grant an immunity to doing idiotic
> > things; more like, it just enlarges the possible scope."
> > -- Lois McMaster Bujold
> Hey, I like your .sig! Can I steal it to add to my future random .sig
Please do. My husband located the quote. Don't know if it's from one of
Bujold's novels, or from some other context.
"Being bright does not grant an immunity to doing idiotic
things; more like, it just enlarges the possible scope."
-- Lois McMaster Bujold