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Re : Community & fluency (was: just blank)

From:L. Gerholz <milo@...>
Date:Saturday, October 9, 1999, 19:09
Irina Rempt-Drijfhout wrote:
> > On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, C. Tsuchiya wrote: > > > Mathias wrote: > > > > > > speaking a language identifies with an community. > > > making a language is tantamount to denying the community. > > I disagree with *that* out of context (can't find the rest of what > Mathias wrote); it's not as if *anything* one does on one's own is > -erm- mental you-know-what. > > > This really struck a chord with me. I've always been quite an introvert, > > even a misanthrope. I have often consciously rejected community, > > although it hadn't occurred to me that my conlanging activity might be > > an expression of that desire. I am not suggesting that this is the next > > conlanger's purpose, but it resonates with me. > > It also resonates with me, but on a dissonance: I *know* I'm > extraverted, and far from misanthropic, and I don't want motives like > that pressed on me. My conlanging is an expression - one of the > various expressions - of creating an *invented* community, not to > replace the one I lead my daily life in, but to supplement and enrich > it. There would be no Valdyan language without any Valdyans to speak > it, fictitious as they are. >
I won't argue with anything you've said here. I was speaking only from my very individual reaction to Mathias' statement. I should emphasize that it's hardly the sole, or even initial, reason for my conlanging activities. They are first, and foremost, a creative action, just like my painting or other creative writing. As I've mentioned in the past, my original conlang roots grew out of my role-playing game activities -- definitely a group endeavor. I never interpreted Mathias' statements as being true for all, or even most, conlangers. It just struck me how true it was for *me*.
> > On the other hand, I also agree with others who have cited the sheer > > effort that it would take a non-conlanger to appreciate a conlang. It's > > not quite parallel to having an aesthetic sense about natural languages. > > I, for one, enjoy working on my languages but I'm not fluent in speaking > > any of them. I can't just rattle off even the simplest phrases. > > Therefore I have nothing to offer the non-linguistic person for purposes > > of accessible aesthetic appreciation. > > Then write things! Nobody needs to know that you need, say, two hours > to write something that can be read in two minutes.
Indeed! Nik just suggested the same thing, and I'm pondering what to take to the office. <snip>
> > > "Being bright does not grant an immunity to doing idiotic > > things; more like, it just enlarges the possible scope." > > -- Lois McMaster Bujold > > Hey, I like your .sig! Can I steal it to add to my future random .sig > archive?
Please do. My husband located the quote. Don't know if it's from one of Bujold's novels, or from some other context. Laurie -- "Being bright does not grant an immunity to doing idiotic things; more like, it just enlarges the possible scope." -- Lois McMaster Bujold