Re: Basque & Katzner's Languages of the World
|From:||Yoon Ha Lee <yl112@...>|
|Date:||Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 22:44|
On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, at 02:36 , Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Yoon Ha Lee wrote:
>> I picked up _Languages of the World_ by Kenneth Katzner a few weeks ago.
> I know that book - it's an excellent source for conlangs, since that's
> about how accurate it is :-).
><laugh> I was afraid of that. But it's perfect for the conlanging
purposes for which I picked it up.
>> . In particular, I wish his phonological descriptions (which are very
>> anglocentric, perhaps not surprisingly) had used IPA instead of fuzzy
>> things like "There is both a soft r and a hard r" in Basque. Which
>> me to my question: for those who know (something about) Basque, what the
>> heck is he talking about? Trilled and non-trilled? Trilled vs.
>> approximant? Meep?
> You should ask Rob Nierse - I think he's nomail now - since he has done
> a stretch of Basque in Leyden.
>Would it be presumptuous if I attempted to email him privately? (I don't
remember him--perhaps it was before I joined the list?)
>> The other thing I like about this book, and the real reason I picked it
>> even though I'm sort of skeptical of its academic usefulness, is the
>> samples of text that he includes. Some are pretty uninteresting (yet
>> another biblical translation into whatever non-Indo-European language),
>> but there are some lovely poems/passages/script samples, including my
>> favourite Korean poem, Kim Seowol's "Chindallae" (azaleas), with
> I remember that a few of his texts were hilariously wrong, but I don't
> know which, since I haven't got the book myself - I once borrowed a
> conlanging friend's copy. The friend soon after acquired Comries
> multi-volume series on the same topic...
<chuckle> Yeah, I eyed the Comrie, but couldn't justify the expense at
the time, though it's on my wishlist of books. :-) I remember a couple
statements in there seemed sort of odd when I browsed it, though I can't
remember which either. It claims Korean "is the only true alphabet native
to the Far East," which I don't know if that's true, though the rest seems
okay. 'Course, he doesn't say a whole lot either. ^_^
Yoon Ha Lee [email@example.com]
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