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Re: Nimrina phonology

From:Herman Miller <hmiller@...>
Date:Sunday, August 20, 2006, 18:21
Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:

> Or maybe it still is /dl/! BTW if Nimrína is > supposed in Scandinavia -- *here* or somewhere > *else* -- it might be a good touch to have an > [r`] allophone of /l/, since [r`] for historical > reasons functions as an allophone of /l/ in many > Swedish and Norwegian dialects. At some point > /rD/ became [r`], and at some later point this > /r`/ and /l/ merged in some or all positions, > leaving [r`] as the *only* allophone of /l/ in > many dialects. (I myself have for some reason > [r`] for /l/ only after labials, and [d`] for > */rD/!) The putative presence in Scandinavia of > a language without an r/l distinction may serve > to 'explain' these strange historical mergers! :-)
In that case, I could have [r`] in place of [4] as the intervocalic allophone of /l/. Or it could vary depending on the vowels. I seem to be having a little difficulty pronouncing "tilin" (small) as [t_jir`in]. But pronouncing "hlýlu" (leaf) as [K1:r`u] or "zelen" (feather) as [zEr`En] seems easier.
>> The absence of males in Swedish legend could simply be a result of >> the rarity of encountering one in the first place. > > Yes, or maybe there is greater morphological difference > between the sexes in huldrer than in humans, e.g. the > males may be wholly fur-coated while the females are > partially naked and so more human-like. This may > cause humans not to recognize that they are the same > species. It might also mean that while the females > appear sexually enticing to humans the males don't, > and are perhaps not perceived as human-like at all. > More on that below.
Interesting idea, but I was thinking more of people who could pass themselves off as human (if they wear clothing that hides their tails). Maybe a small group of them could have come across the Atlantic with the other Scandinavian immigrants to the US.
> I can't help think of images I've seen of American Indians > wearing wolf skins with the wolf's head as a hood and the > tail hanging down their back. In Norse tradition there is > the _úlfheðinn_, a berserk in hairy wolfskin jacket. There > are archeological finds depicting such figures, looking > like men with wolfs head and tail(*). Maybe this is the male > of the species. The thought that the male of the species > is behind the belief in werewolves would not be too great > a leap! There is _huldumaðr_ 'cairn-troll' in my Old Norse > to Norwegian dictionary, but that would seem to relate > primarily to the Irish-influenced Icelandic huldufólk.
But this brings up another possibility; they may have had populations in both continents from way back in the Atlantean days (if I go with the idea that they're related to the Atlanteans).

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Benct Philip Jonsson <bpjonsson@...>