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Re: Newest natlang?

From:Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
Date:Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 7:59
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 01:09, caeruleancentaur
<caeruleancentaur@...> wrote:
>> Eldin Raigmore <eldin_raigmore@...> wrote: >> >> If having its own army and navy turns a dialect into a language... > > How can a dialect have its own army and navy? :-)
Honest question? Perhaps you're not aware of the saying "A language is a dialect with an army and a navy" (or "a shprakh iz a dialekt mit an armey un flot"), attributed to Max Weinreich. So Eldin was saying that if a group of speakers have an army and a navy of their own (i.e., roughly, if they form a sovereign nation with its own defence), then what they speak would no longer be considered a dialect but a separate language. (As, for example, Bosnian might be considered a separate language from Serbo-Croatian or BCS [Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian] only once Bosnia and Herzegovina became a country of its own, but a dialect of BCS while part of Yugoslavia.) So it's not literally the _dialect_ that has the army and navy, but its speakers. Cheers, -- Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>


Eugene Oh <un.doing@...>