Re: word derivation in sabyuka (some principles)

le mer 17-07-2002 à 03:17, Nik Taylor a écrit :

> Actually, with trills, it's your lungs that do the work.  It helps to
> practice first with a voiceless trill, even tho those are very rare,
> once you've gotten the voiceless down, voiced should be easy.  You just
> put your tongue in position for /d[/ (that is, dental d, the French or
> Spanish d), but let it connect loosely with the roof of the mouth.
> Then, breathe out hard, trying (but not too hard) to keep your tongue
> connected to the roof.  If you get the right balance, not too loose (an
> s-type sound), not too tight (/d[/), you'll end up with a voiceless
> trill, when your tongue essentially flaps in the breeze.  Once you've
> learned to do that, add voicing, and you've got {rr}
Never will I be greatful enough, I almost get it :)))))))). The problem
was I tried to trill without breathing : when I concentrate myself on my
breath and not on the tongue, I can do an almost good voiceless 'rr'. I
just have to change my habits fo putting the tongue behind the alveols
and then practise a little (or a lot), but I have now understood how to
get it.
Then, I will go and see my spanish teacher to say her your tip is better
than hers (which consisted of prounoucing 'todo' 'tolo' faster and
faster). Thanks again.



> Some descendants of Uatakassi turned /g/ into /N/.  All of them made
> /gg/ into [Ng] at least, [NN] in the /g/ -> /N/ langs.  Actually, most
> of the descendants turned voiced geminate stops into nasal-stop
> sequences.
Oh, this is an intersting feature. Proto-sabyukà geminates (*kk and *gg)
turned respectively to palatalized consonants /k'/ and /g'/, then
palatal /c/ and /j\/ and now to affricates 'c'/tS/ and 'j'/dZ/
Then *tt and *dd turned to *ts and *dz merging to actual 'z' /ts/. I
have not worked the others yet.

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