Re: Nur-ellen in the world of Brithenig (was Re:Nur-ellen universes)

Paedryc Dunnen re-scryfat:

> I don't think we have suvs *there*. Cars, certainly and trucks.
Bear in mind that over *here* in the UK, we don't really drive trucks the
way you lot do in the US. We have far more cars, trucks are only used by
manual labourers to carry stuff about in.

> >To return to the languages: what other minority languages are there in
> >Kemr?
>
> Irish Gaelic, Bloody Saxon, Kerno, Hindi, Spanish, French, Romany,
> at least. As far as I know, Wessic is only spoken on Isle of Wight.
And of course, that little-known P-Celtic language in Cornwall which does
*not* exist.

> >*there* they could have retained it.  And then there is no reason why
> >P-Celtic should be completely extinct if pre-Celtic languages survived.
>
> There is a P-Celtic tongue in the islands of the British Sea. I can
> never remember the name, but it is a lovely sounding language.
:o) Thank you! It's Arvorec, and there's an Arvorec immigrant community in
the FK.


Dan

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:CONLANG@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU]On
> Behalf Of Padraic Brown
> Sent: 31 August 2000 03:29
> To: CONLANG@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nur-ellen in the world of Brithenig (was Re:Nur-ellen
> universes)
>
>
> Yscreus ill Orgh Rhimeir:
>
> >andrew tetent:
> >>
> >> Am 08/30 02:11  J?rg Rhiemeier yscrifef:
> >>
> >>       They wouldn't like anyone whose claim precedes
> >> their own.
> >
> >Certainly!  Whenever such people know that there is actually someone
> >around in a position to lay a claim which is backed up by an older
> >right, they tend to resent the fact and turn it down.  The fact that the
> >Elves are the heirs of a civilization that was much more enlightened
> >than the Celts and Romans have ever been in their best days and that was
> >destroyed by the latter two peoples, bugs them.
>
> Only don't say these things too loudly in a pub. There are plenty
> of places where "political opposition" is dealt with by means of
> a stout stick and a length of sturdy rope. People moving agricultural
> implements rhythmically up and down and chanting crude slogans are
> optional extras.
>
> >> > (Thinking of Mertlad: pagan sites often tend to be overbuilt with
> >> > churches when christianity moves into an area.  Why was the church of
> >> > Tavrob`l built off the site?)
> >> >
> >> Hmmm.  Good question.
> >
> >I have not found an appropriate solution of this problem yet.  Of course
> >we *could* say that the site has actually built over with a church, but
> >it would be more fun if it was intact.  So why is it?  Well, quite a
> >number of old holy sites *did* survive; we still have Stonehenge (both
> >*here* and *there*) which has never been levelled in order to make room
> >for a church.  It seems that intact pagan sites are quite frequent in
> >Britain and the conversion-by-building-churches-on-old-holy-grounds
> >policy is much more of a continental European phenomenon.
>
> Must be. We've got Stonehenge and Avebury; the White Horse and the
> Giant, at least, them being pretty famous. There are other sites.
>
> >It is hardly surprising that in the second half of the 20th century,
> >many young people disaffected by the bourgeois society and industrial
> >capitalism with its grave environmental and social side-effects, looked
> >upon the Elves and their traditions as an example to follow.  On the
> >other hand, there are countless bad words about the Elves circulating
> >among those right-leaning, SUV-driving, body-building masculist would-be
> >heroes who no doubt exist *there* as well as *here*.
> >As we are in the swing of discussing locations of cities, I have a
> >question.
> >Your pages mention a Kemrese city of Aberddui on "the northern River
> >Dui".
> >The names perfectly match Aberdeen, but does Kemr extend so far north???
>
> It's Deva, right up in the corner between Wales and Cumbria *here*.
> Kemr only goes up to the Ribble. I have got to find that map!
>
> >I think the Principitad could boast a colourful variety of languages.
> >There is of course Kerno or Bretanecca, which seems to be language of
> >almost one half of the people of Kemr (according to Padraig's Ethnologue
> >record); Padraig also mentioned Wessic (though I am not sure whether it
> >extends west of the border); what else?  There is certainly some kind of
> >Romani.
> >There is also a remnant of another pre-Celtic group unrelated to Elvish,
> >namely the one responsible for the Irish traduition of "Fir Bolg" and
> >the Germanic one of "Dwarves".  This is most likely something related to
> >(Pre-Celtic) Pictish.
> >There seems to be a remnant of that people in southern Wales *here*
> >(according to the same book where I found an indication of a remnant of
> >Elves in eastern Wales), though they also have lost their language, but
> >*there* they could have retained it.  And then there is no reason why
> >P-Celtic should be completely extinct if pre-Celtic languages survived.
>
> There is a P-Celtic tongue in the islands of the British Sea. I can
> never remember the name, but it is a lovely sounding language.
>
> >So add a P-Celtic minority, and be it a sort of Judaeo-Celtic (there are
> >certainly Jews in Kemr; what is their traditional language besides the
> >Hebrew they use for religious purposes?).
>
> Probably something similar to Judaeo-Spanish.
>
> >P.P.S. Is the Sessiwn Kemres mailing list still alive?
>
> No. We decided to settle in the Celticonlang mailing list
> at egroups.com.
>
> Padraic.
>
> >Joerg.
>