Re: Nur-ellen in the world of Brithenig (was Re:Nur-ellen universes)

Yscreus ill Orgh Rhimeir:

>andrew tetent:
>>
>> Am 08/30 02:11  J?rg Rhiemeier yscrifef:
>>
>>       They wouldn't like anyone whose claim precedes
>> their own.
>
>Certainly!  Whenever such people know that there is actually someone
>around in a position to lay a claim which is backed up by an older
>right, they tend to resent the fact and turn it down.  The fact that the
>Elves are the heirs of a civilization that was much more enlightened
>than the Celts and Romans have ever been in their best days and that was
>destroyed by the latter two peoples, bugs them.
Only don't say these things too loudly in a pub. There are plenty
of places where "political opposition" is dealt with by means of
a stout stick and a length of sturdy rope. People moving agricultural
implements rhythmically up and down and chanting crude slogans are
optional extras.

>> > (Thinking of Mertlad: pagan sites often tend to be overbuilt with
>> > churches when christianity moves into an area.  Why was the church of
>> > Tavrob`l built off the site?)
>> >
>> Hmmm.  Good question.
>
>I have not found an appropriate solution of this problem yet.  Of course
>we *could* say that the site has actually built over with a church, but
>it would be more fun if it was intact.  So why is it?  Well, quite a
>number of old holy sites *did* survive; we still have Stonehenge (both
>*here* and *there*) which has never been levelled in order to make room
>for a church.  It seems that intact pagan sites are quite frequent in
>Britain and the conversion-by-building-churches-on-old-holy-grounds
>policy is much more of a continental European phenomenon.
Must be. We've got Stonehenge and Avebury; the White Horse and the
Giant, at least, them being pretty famous. There are other sites.

>It is hardly surprising that in the second half of the 20th century,
>many young people disaffected by the bourgeois society and industrial
>capitalism with its grave environmental and social side-effects, looked
>upon the Elves and their traditions as an example to follow.  On the
>other hand, there are countless bad words about the Elves circulating
>among those right-leaning, SUV-driving, body-building masculist would-be
>heroes who no doubt exist *there* as well as *here*.
I don't think we have suvs *there*. Cars, certainly and trucks.

>As we are in the swing of discussing locations of cities, I have a
>question.
>Your pages mention a Kemrese city of Aberddui on "the northern River
>Dui".
>The names perfectly match Aberdeen, but does Kemr extend so far north???
It's Deva, right up in the corner between Wales and Cumbria *here*.
Kemr only goes up to the Ribble. I have got to find that map!

>To return to the languages: what other minority languages are there in
>Kemr?
Irish Gaelic, Bloody Saxon, Kerno, Hindi, Spanish, French, Romany,
at least. As far as I know, Wessic is only spoken on Isle of Wight.

>I think the Principitad could boast a colourful variety of languages.
>There is of course Kerno or Bretanecca, which seems to be language of
>almost one half of the people of Kemr (according to Padraig's Ethnologue
>record); Padraig also mentioned Wessic (though I am not sure whether it
>extends west of the border); what else?  There is certainly some kind of
>Romani.
>There is also a remnant of another pre-Celtic group unrelated to Elvish,
>namely the one responsible for the Irish traduition of "Fir Bolg" and
>the Germanic one of "Dwarves".  This is most likely something related to
>(Pre-Celtic) Pictish.
>There seems to be a remnant of that people in southern Wales *here*
>(according to the same book where I found an indication of a remnant of
>Elves in eastern Wales), though they also have lost their language, but
>*there* they could have retained it.  And then there is no reason why
>P-Celtic should be completely extinct if pre-Celtic languages survived.
There is a P-Celtic tongue in the islands of the British Sea. I can
never remember the name, but it is a lovely sounding language.

>So add a P-Celtic minority, and be it a sort of Judaeo-Celtic (there are
>certainly Jews in Kemr; what is their traditional language besides the
>Hebrew they use for religious purposes?).
Probably something similar to Judaeo-Spanish.

>P.P.S. Is the Sessiwn Kemres mailing list still alive?
No. We decided to settle in the Celticonlang mailing list
at egroups.com.

Padraic.

>Joerg.