Re: Fave conlangs and essentialist explanations

> Date:         Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:33:56 -0800
> From: Joe <joe@...>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Danny Wier" <dawier@...>
> To: <CONLANG@...>
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> > From: "daniel andreasson" <danielandreasson@...>
> > | Danny Wier wrote:
> > | > By the way, what non-Klingon, non-Caucasian languages contain
> > | > the consonant phoneme or phone /qX/ (or even /GR/)?
> > | Haha! I know that! That's got to be Dutch! :)
> > You're right, it does... I actually meant IPA small capital G and
> > inverted small capital R, but I forgot the SAMPA for both. I think
> > it involves backslashes, so the sound is like [G\R\], right?
> > That's the voiced counterpart of /qX/.
>
> I think it's [GR\]
>
> It's an interesting sound :-)
>
> so...is /qX/ is in sch-( /sqX/?)
There seems to be a little mixup of X-SAMPA [G] and [G\] here (as well
as [R] and [R\], but that's less significant).

[qX] (IPA lower case q and greek l-c xi), is a sequence of unvoiced uvular
stop and fricative. The voiced counterpart is [G\R] (IPA small caps G
and turned s-c R).

[GR\] (IPA ram's horns (not quite greek l-c gamma) and s-c R) is a
sequence of voiced velar fricative and (voiced) uvular trill. And
IIRC, that is in fact what some variants of Dutch have in groen ---
but I think the standard description says [Grun], with an alveolar
trill instead.

I don't recall what Dutch does for schr-. [sxR\- ~ sxr-], probably.

Lars Mathiesen (U of Copenhagen CS Dep) <thorinn@...> (Humour NOT marked)

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