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Lateral fricatives (was: Describing the Welsh LL to non-linguists)

From:R A Brown <ray@...>
Date:Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 7:40
Paul Roser wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:53:38 +0000, R A Brown > <ray@...> wrote: > >> All the above are alveolar lateral fricatives. Lateral fricatives >> are also possible in retroflex, palatal and velar positions, altho >> there are no IPA symbols for these. The Bura language of >> north-eastern Nigeria has four lateral fricatives: voiced & >> voiceless alveolar ones, and voiced & voiceless velar ones - but I >> haven't discovered how they are written. > > Ray, > > Do you have any reference on velar laterals in Bura?
I found a reference when I was browsing for info about lateral fricatives generally - now I can't find the darn reference!
> In his book on African phonetics from the 60s Ladefoged described > Bura as having palatal lateral fricatives, and that is also how > they're described in the UCLA language materials (and also in L & M's > Sounds of the Worlds languages) - but I found a pdf dictionary of > Bura online <>
Thanks for the URL - I've downloaded the dictionary. According to that Bura has _six_ lateral fricatives: voiced & voiceless pairs of alveolar, labio-alveolar & velar. But no mention of palatal lateral fricatives. There's obviously some difference of opinion here!
> and > that seems to list the second pair of lateral fricatives as compounds > of velar fricatives plus the alveolar laterals /xK, GK\/. From the > dictionary I gather that the alveolar laterals are written <tl, dl>, > and the velars are written <h, gh>, so the velar/compound laterals > should be <htl, ghdl>, though there is at least one incidence of > <tly> in the dictionary, but I'm unclear what it indicates...
Yes, the spelling is not clear, is it? In the introduction to the dictionary it seems there is not yet a satisfactory system of spelling that represents all the sounds in the language. There's a reference to an 'Appendix 5' but I can't find any appendices.
> Besides the other examples of multiple lateral fricatives, Toda in SW > India has dental/alveolar and retroflex and A-Hmao in also has > alveolar and retroflex lateral fricatives.
It doesn't surprise me that retroflex lateral fricatives might be found in one or more languages of India. A distinction between a dental and a retroflex series of consonants seems common to most Indian languages. -- Ray ================================== ================================== Frustra fit per plura quod potest fieri per pauciora. [William of Ockham]