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Re: Anti-telic?

From:Sally Caves <scaves@...>
Date:Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 14:52
Perhaps the language in question would set its sites (sights?) a little
lower, and have something continue, like a machine, long after one was dead.
But that is already be covered by the atelic.  The eternal nature of God
might suit the anti-telic, which would be used for spiritual purposes.  In
such a culture, though, perhaps God is seen as continuing within time.  The
"timelessness" of God is a Christian concept.  Maybe these people have a
different theology.

Sally

----- Original Message -----
From: "R A Brown" <ray@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: Anti-telic?


> Sai Emrys wrote: >> I'm re-re-watching Pearson's talk, and wonder... there's telic, and >> atelic... is there an anti-telic? >> >> This would be a verb that not just doesn't have a *necessary* >> endpoint, or *can* continue indefinitely, but *must* continue >> indefinitely. (Aspect would also be a bit weird with it.) > > But can _anything_ continue indefinitely in a temporal universe? > > Even the universe itself will end, according to some, in the the 'Big > Crunch'; tho according to others it just goes on, and on, and on... In > which case, a verb describing an ever enduring universe might qualify for > 'anti-telic'. But what else? > > When we come to concepts of the eternity of God, of the soul etc, we are, > as I understand it, dealing with the concept of *timelessness*, in which > case the telic/atelic business is irrelevant. > >> >> Any natlang or conlang examples of this? > > Indeed. I cannot see that it is possible. > >> (This relates to another thing mentioned by John Q quoting me at the >> talk, about having a verb tense that denotes some sort of cyclical >> tense - e.g. it happened in the past and will happen in the future, >> but isn't happening right now.) > > Sort of like Vesuvius erupting or Yellowstone Park blowing itself apart? > Interesting idea - but altho natlangs show interesting variety in the way > they organize tenses, I don't know any examples of a "once did & will do > again" tense. > > -- > Ray > ================================== > ray@carolandray.plus.com > http://www.carolandray.plus.com > ================================== > "Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigene Kosten denkt, > wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun." > "A mind that thinks at its own expense > will always interfere with language". > J.G. Hamann, 1760 >