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THEORY: language and the brain [was Re: Interesting article]

From:Thomas R. Wier <trwier@...>
Date:Tuesday, July 1, 2003, 4:10
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Quoting "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...>:

> Apparently the right half of the brain is involved in understanding > tonal languages (ignore the stupid misleading headline): > > > > I find this a bit surprising, since previous research has indicated > that speech understanding is not a postprocessor on sound apprehension, > but rather bypasses, and happens in parallel with, the normal decoding > of sound inputs. So it's kind of strange that the part of the brain > associated with nonlinguistic apprehension of melody is also used when > understanding melodic speech.
Precisely this webreport became a topic of debate on my department's mailing list in the last two days. Here's what they had to say about it: ============================================================== I am so surprised to see this kind of claims. There are so many inaccuracies in the report that I don't know how seriously we should take it. Just to point out a few: 1. "'We were very surprised to discover that people who speak different sorts of languages use their brains to decode speech in different ways; it overturned some long-held theories,' said Dr. Sophie Scott, a psychologist at the charity" It is THE long-held and popular view that people who speak "exotic" languages process speech differently. 2. "Intonation is important in Mandarin because it gives different meanings to the same word. The word "ma" for example can mean mother, scold, horse or hemp, depending on the tone. 'We think Mandarin speakers interpret intonation and melody in the right temporal lobe to give the correct meaning to the spoken word,' Scott said in a statement." First, tone is not intonation. Second, English uses melody just as much, if not more, as Mandarin, to convey meaning. English speakers even change pitch as fast as Mandarin speakers do, according to our study. =================================================================== I have several reservations about the accuracy of the report, unless the findings of the research itself are equally question- begging, but I cannot speak authoritatively. I am shocked by the suggestion that there are languages that use only one side of the brain for linguistic communication. I was under the impression that lateralization had to do with activities which are more analytical and usually (not always) situated in the left hemisphere versus others that are situated in the right hemisphere. So the first paragraph seems to have started on the wrong foot. I am not shocked by the correlation/parallelism between melody and intonation, but, as [a participant in discussion] points out, tones are different from intonation, and I believe tones require analytic activities too. I would not expect them to require less than segmental units of a word. And why should any one have to think that only the segmental part, but not the suprasegmental component, makes a word? But part of the problem here is whether the report paraphrases accurately what Dr. Sophie Scott said. ====================================================================== ========================================================================= Thomas Wier "I find it useful to meet my subjects personally, Dept. of Linguistics because our secret police don't get it right University of Chicago half the time." -- octogenarian Sheikh Zayed of 1010 E. 59th Street Abu Dhabi, to a French reporter. Chicago, IL 60637


Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>