R: "Nine" a la Oskar
From: | Mangiat <mangiat@...> |
Date: | Thursday, July 20, 2000, 15:05 |
Hey, Oskar, your idea is really fantastic! With all those allophones you've
made up a phonology that's trickier than English's! The best and most
interesting Nine phonology I've seen on this list!
> Okay, I said I'd make my own Nine.
>
> When I go and make languages, they hardly ever get much beyond the
> phonology. Cause I love phonology and it's what I'm best at. So why bother
> with the rest?
>
> Right...My Nine phonology:
>
> Plosives
>
> /p t k/
>
> (surprise surprise!) :)
>
> Syllabics
>
> /n r l/
>
> Vowels
>
> /a i u/
>
> Syllable structure
>
> (C) V (V)(V/C)
>
>
> Simple enough. But that's not it, of course. Allophones! ...
>
> Plosives
>
> Initial: [p t k]
> Final: [P s x] (become fricatives, but note that /t/ is not [T])
> After a syllabic: [b d g]
> Syllabics
>
> Initial: [m r l] ([r] is the dental trill of Spanish etc)
> Final: <don't know the proper SAMPA code>
> /n/ nasalizes the vowel
> /r/ rhoticizes the vowel (like in English)
> /l/ is heavily velarized; distinctive by the greater length of
> the vowel
> After syllabic: [m dr dl]
>
> Vowels
>
> Pre-syllabic: [a e Q]
> Word-final: [a e o]
>
> /i/ after or before /k/ (in one syllable): [e]
>
> /i/ + /a u/: [j]
> /u/ + /a i/: [w]
> /au ai ii uu/: [aw aj ei wQ]
>
> Illegal vowel combinations (in one syllable):
>
> /uau iai aa auu aii aui aiu/
>
> Plosives and diphthongs:
>
> Initial syllabics cannot precede glides. However, /ui/ is allowed there,
but
> is instead produced as [oi].
>
> /k/ cannot precede or succeed a gliding /i/.
> /p/ cannot precede a gliding /u/.
>
>
> Examples of words:
>
> /kun/ [kQ~]
> /pit/ [pis]
> /kit/ [kes]
> /nunpai/ [mQ~baj]
> /kuikkal/ [kwexkal] (how do I transcribe with SAMPA a velarized 'l'?)
> /nuitpii/ [noispei]
> /ranta/ [ra~da]
>
>
> Whatever Nine we make, I believe the Latin alphabet is quite superfluous
in
> its representation. The Nine script could get away with only nine
different
> characters, which would allow for some very simple forms. Pretty cool, eh?
> What about someone designing a script for it (or perhaps for our whole
> family of Nines popping up at the moment)?
>
> Just my nine cents,
>
> (oh my God, I just wrote that subconsciously, I swear it) ;)
>
> Oskar
>
> P.S. I'm flying to France in a few hours, so I want be around. Have an
> enjoyable discussion, au revoir! :)
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