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R: "Nine" a la Oskar

From:Mangiat <mangiat@...>
Date:Thursday, July 20, 2000, 15:05
Hey, Oskar, your idea is really fantastic! With all those allophones you've
made up a phonology that's trickier than English's! The best and most
interesting Nine phonology I've seen on this list!

> Okay, I said I'd make my own Nine. > > When I go and make languages, they hardly ever get much beyond the > phonology. Cause I love phonology and it's what I'm best at. So why bother > with the rest? > > Right...My Nine phonology: > > Plosives > > /p t k/ > > (surprise surprise!) :) > > Syllabics > > /n r l/ > > Vowels > > /a i u/ > > Syllable structure > > (C) V (V)(V/C) > > > Simple enough. But that's not it, of course. Allophones! ... > > Plosives > > Initial: [p t k] > Final: [P s x] (become fricatives, but note that /t/ is not [T]) > After a syllabic: [b d g] > Syllabics > > Initial: [m r l] ([r] is the dental trill of Spanish etc) > Final: <don't know the proper SAMPA code> > /n/ nasalizes the vowel > /r/ rhoticizes the vowel (like in English) > /l/ is heavily velarized; distinctive by the greater length of > the vowel > After syllabic: [m dr dl] > > Vowels > > Pre-syllabic: [a e Q] > Word-final: [a e o] > > /i/ after or before /k/ (in one syllable): [e] > > /i/ + /a u/: [j] > /u/ + /a i/: [w] > /au ai ii uu/: [aw aj ei wQ] > > Illegal vowel combinations (in one syllable): > > /uau iai aa auu aii aui aiu/ > > Plosives and diphthongs: > > Initial syllabics cannot precede glides. However, /ui/ is allowed there,
but
> is instead produced as [oi]. > > /k/ cannot precede or succeed a gliding /i/. > /p/ cannot precede a gliding /u/. > > > Examples of words: > > /kun/ [kQ~] > /pit/ [pis] > /kit/ [kes] > /nunpai/ [mQ~baj] > /kuikkal/ [kwexkal] (how do I transcribe with SAMPA a velarized 'l'?) > /nuitpii/ [noispei] > /ranta/ [ra~da] > > > Whatever Nine we make, I believe the Latin alphabet is quite superfluous
in
> its representation. The Nine script could get away with only nine
different
> characters, which would allow for some very simple forms. Pretty cool, eh? > What about someone designing a script for it (or perhaps for our whole > family of Nines popping up at the moment)? > > Just my nine cents, > > (oh my God, I just wrote that subconsciously, I swear it) ;) > > Oskar > > P.S. I'm flying to France in a few hours, so I want be around. Have an > enjoyable discussion, au revoir! :) > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >