Re: C-IPA

En réponse à Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>:

>
> One could even argue that you shouldn't be using the exclamation mark as
> a
> diacritic, since it's the IPA sign for a (post-)alveolar click.
>
This rule applies only to letter signs, not to non-letter ones. Was I unclear
about that? As I said, my point is not to make something which *looks* like the
IPA. The rule that letters in the IPA that exist in ASCII are taken as is is
just because we need to begin somewhere, and it's easier to begin with
something which is not completely arbitrary. And the fact that ! is indeed a
click mark in the IPA makes the mnemonic easier, which is why it's chosen as a
diacritic for clicks.

> It'd perhaps be simplest to decree that the rule about keeping the
> values of
> IPA signs doesn't apply to the non-pulmonic consonants, but that's
> rather
> against the spirit of the C-IPA, isn't it?
>
Not in this case. I had made it clear that I don't want to have a geometric
correspondence. Only the letter signs follow the rule of being taken straight
from the IPA.

> One solution'd be to introduce an extra diacrticizer along with "^",
> which'd be
> used for turning signs from their IPA values into diacritics that
> doesn't
> correlate to an IPA one. Say we'd use the double quote sign ("), which's
> not
> entirely dissimilar to the circumflex for this purpose; we'd then have
> [!] as
> for an alveolar click, and ["!] as the clickizer (eg [p"!] for a
> bilabila
> click. Similarly [|] would be a dental click and [f"|] for a voiceless
> labiodental stop.
>
But this would be completely against the spirit of C-IPA, because it would make
everything much longer than necessary. No, this extra diacriticizer is exactly
what C-IPA *mustn't* have.

> For languages where clicks don't turn up, one could write simply [f|],
> and for
> ones that has clicks but not stop+click clusters, [p!], similarly to
> how
> aspiration, for phonemic purposes, is sometimes simply indicated by a
> following
> [h]; eg [th] for [t^h].
>
Not in the base form of C-IPA. Since it's completely modular, you could
probably make it work like that, but I'm personally not in favour of it. It
destroys the main principles of C-IPA.

Christophe.

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