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Re: XSAMPA for /ts/?

From:Jan van Steenbergen <ijzeren_jan@...>
Date:Thursday, April 24, 2003, 5:57
 --- Tristan McLeay skrzypszy:

> > Can someone tell me the XSAMPA symbols for the "ts" sound at the end > > of the English words "cats"? Is it the ligation [ts]? > > At the end of the English word 'cats', it's just /ts/ (and probably > [ts], though someone out there probably says [?s]), simply being a > sequence of /t/ and /s/. In the German word 'zehn', the t-s ligature > might be appropriate for a phonemic transcription, but I'm not sure that > there's a phonetic difference between [ts] (sequence) and [t_s] > (affricative).
My impression that the ligature is optional, depending on how precise you want to be. In other words, there is nothing wrong with omitting it, even in the case of an affricate. I'm not so sure about the German example, though. [t_s] for <z> in "zehn", seems appropriate, but I would rather not expect [p_f] in "Pfeffer", even though the latter is definitely an affricate as well. And what about "Katze"? Polish is a slightly different case, because the affricates [t_s], [t_s\] and [t_s`] behave significantly different than their non-affricated counterparts. Jan ===== "Originality is the art of concealing your source." - Franklin P. Jones __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer