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Re: (Re)Introduction, Art, Nature, Periods of the Day

From:Ajin Kwai <yasmin4@...>
Date:Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 17:03
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Do remind us again of draqa and why it has claimed
your attention.
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gladly :)

well, it originated as an extension of a game i & baby
brother used to play... it was a dramatic
intergalactic thing, but we assumed roles of these
characters quite a bit of the time while we were
together... my interest in languages made the idea
seem quite natural, having played with all sorts of
codes too..

now it is very much designed for humans... but i
really wanted to explore not only semantic mapping,
but the whole underlying principles of reality that
the language  might be based on. Being a cultural
anthropology buff, i realized how difficult it is to
see through other eyes, even when you can
intellectualize the differences in perspective.  Those
differences must really be internalized to be
appreciated...

so i decided to look deeper into my own native
experience of reality, stripped down of as much of
what i have learned as i could... and then i had a
mystical awakening... and draqa became more of a
vehicle for expression of this qualitatively extremely
different way of experiencing and perceiving...
something that makes more intuitive sense to my native
matrix than English...

i'm so hesitant to fill out a typology thingie for
this language, b/c i'm not sure where it really fits
in.  It certainly breaks more than a universal or two,
but still seems to be humanly usable...

i have it kindof up at http://slxlr.true.ws/lang


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It's sort of like the concept of religion. If you ask
an atheist for a
description of "religion", you'll get one thing. If
you ask your average
anthropologist, you might get another. But to someone
who actually believes
in a "religion", it's a whole different story.
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yes, perspective is everything, often arbitrary, and
usually unrecognized :)




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Very thought-provoking observation. Ants seem to have
structured
"defense-against-nature." Birds and squirrels make
nests... so maybe we all
ought to rethink this. We think we have no instincts,
just because the
nest-building song-singing tendency in us has to be
"taught." Maybe it's
just another example of something humans have taken
from the animal world
expanded to the nth-degree.
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But, insects, as far as is known, lack humans'
tendency for symbolic/magical
thinking; if art is 'defense against wilderness', it
is a spiritual rather
than physical defense, while the anthill, apparently,
more closely corresponds
to more practical human pursuits - the building of
houses as shelters against
unpleasant weather comes to mind.
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:)

And this n-th degree might even include what we call
intelligence.  Perhaps it may be well to recall also
that not all cultures assume lack of symbolic thinking
where other species are concerned...

Actually, that Western assertion has long intrigued me
as a major inconsistency in the strict materialistic
outlook espoused by most scientific thought.  All that
is real should be measurable and quantifiable, yet
"science" makes all sort of wild assumptions about a
phenomenon we have yet to be able to measure or
quanify:  thought.  Could it not merely be the way our
brains perceive the flow of quantum information?
Unfortunately that perspective makes us and our
"acheivements" seem all the less special...



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The debate is about whether we can achieve balance
with our environment,
and take of it only what we need, and let it recover
when we hurt it.
Unlike any other surviving species here, we aren't
doing that right now.
Instead, we remodel our environment to what we like,
according to a false
assumption that we are "out of" Nature, and we disturb
its mechanisms of
recovery, to the point that it cannot remain balanced
anymore.
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Of course the question of balance may be a matter of
perspective too, no?  But then, practically speaking,
you are right... we as a species (well, primarily as a
network of a few relatively powerful civilizations -
most people are still Indian or Chinese
peasants/villagers) are in the process of screwing
things up on this earth for ourselves... oh well...





.yasmin.


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