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Re: OT: YAEPT: English low vowels (was briefly: Re: Y/N variants (< OT: English and front rounded vowels))

From:R A Brown <ray@...>
Date:Wednesday, December 12, 2007, 12:36
T. A. McLeay wrote:
> Mark J. Reed wrote: >> On Dec 11, 2007 10:24 PM, T. A. McLeay <conlang@...> wrote: >> >>> [a?a]. You're wrong on that one. I have Anglophonic ears and I pronounce >>> /V/ as (central) [a], and so use more-or-less that transcription. In >>> England I think most people would hear [a] as /&/. >> >> Dadgum Rightpondians, screwing up my otherwise perfectly good >> generaliZations. :)
>> If the English hear [a] as /&/, what do they hear as /a/??
British English does not have /a/ ~ /&/. The phoneme that Merkans render as /&/ is variously pronounced [&] or [a] in Britain, depending where you are.
> SEEE = South East English English, what's common between RP and various > London Englishes.
basically, 'sright - tho restricting it to 'London Englishes' is a bit narrow IMO. It's general in the south-east of England, whether London or not. [snip]
> It's more accurate > than "British English" which I'd originally written because the Scots > are British and don't do any of this,
I'm fairly certain that [&] is found in some Lowland dialects - but the variety of these dialects is something that we southerners find bewildering - some of them are barely comprehensible to us. But certainly the Highlanders (who are always nice and clear) and other Lowland dialects have [a]. But that's not confined to Scotland; [a] is the norm in northern England and in most of Wales, tho only exception being along the coastal plain of the south east where [&] is commonly used.
> and there's other dialect groups > in England too that I don't know how they deal with this stuff.
> As for > the Scots, though, (SSE = Standard Scottish English), SSE:/a/ > corresponds to both AmE:/&/ and AmE:/a/
I'm not aware that there is a _standard_ Scottish English any more than there is a standard Welsh English (except on the stage, where actors seem to think all Welsh people speak as they do in the Neath valley!). There is a marked difference between Highland speech and the several Lowland varieties. The Highlanders do not conflate Merkan /&/ and /a/. [snip] -- Ray ================================== ================================== Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitudinem.


Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>