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Re: OT: Reality (was: Re: Atlantean)

From:Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Date:Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 20:56
Quoting Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>:

> En réponse à Andreas Johansson : > > > >Eh, no. It doesn't say anything about what other things there may be in > >the "real world" - the ego _could_ make up the entirety of it, but there's > >nothing saying it does. > > Except that in order to populate your definition of "real world" of other > things besides "ego", you have to *assume* their existence. And don't > forget what you said (I paraphrase): the real world is what I *cannot* not > believe it exists. Well, under this definition, "real world" *has* to be > "ego", since it's the only thing one *cannot* not believe it exists. > Whether it's populated with anything else is irrelevant. You gave a > definition, I gave the consequence of it.
I don't think I said that? Don't have my original mail around to prove either way however. At any rate, what I meant was that the "real world" is what exists. What I believe nor not believe to exist has nothing to do with it, except that I can conclude on the ground of logical consistency that I exist, and therefore am in it. Andreas