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Re: New Hadwoid lang

From:dirk elzinga <dirk.elzinga@...>
Date:Thursday, August 2, 2001, 17:54
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Muke Tever wrote:

> Basically, this happened: > > - Already in Hadwan we had [A: E: I: U: Y:] going to [Q: e: i: u: y:]. > > Then: > - [Q] > [O] > - [e:] > [i:] ** > > then, > > -Stressed [O: e: i: u: y:] > became [O i i u y] > > -Unstressed [A E I U Y O: e: i: u: y:] > became [@ @ E o 9 O e i u y] > > The other original vowels not changing. > > [I *think*.] So an original <a> /A(:)/ became any of [A @ O] depending on > original length and stress. > (Also, <e> to [E i @ e]; <i> [I i E]; <o> [U u o]; <y> [Y y 9].) > > Basically it's just two changes: quantity becoming quality, and > unstressed-weakening. > > (Some of those [@] will disappear, too. I haven't decided under what > circumstances though.)
Okay; this makes sense now. Except for this:
> ** [e:] should actually not under normal circumstances appear as a phoneme > in native words. What's more, the sound spelled by this letter might have > always been [i:] and never pronounced as [e:] at all (in which case I should > throw out the e: > e rule). I'll have to look into it.
When I trace the changes you mention, you have a merger of long non-low front vowels ([i:, e:]) to [i:]. But later in the changes to the stressed set, you still have [e:]. Did it change to [i:] or not?
> Actually, for some reason digraphs never entered my mind for this. (I am a > victim of the "One phoneme, one grapheme" poltergeist.) That may be an idea > to work on, while this lang's still in draft.
Not everyone agrees with me about the desireability of digraphs; but it is a solution I no longer discount.
> >(I'd actually be happy with adding some letters to the basic > >set; things like thorn, eth, wynn, and some Cyrillic characters > >that seem to be really useful as well.) > > I wanted to spell [G] with yogh. Mm.
I forgot yogh. In my ASCII documentation of Tepa, I use <3> for [G], inspired by yogh. Dirk -- Dirk Elzinga dirk.elzinga@m.cc.utah.edu "The strong craving for a simple formula has been the undoing of linguists." - Edward Sapir

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