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Re: SURVEY: Idiomatic Expressions In Your ConLang Or ConCulture

From:Jonathan Knibb <j_knibb@...>
Date:Monday, November 14, 2005, 18:56
Jim Henry wrote (re: 'I guess I better had.'):

>"I better had" wouldn't work in my 'lect either; it would >be "I had better" or more likely "I'd better". >[snip] >It doesn't work with any other tense or mood of "to have" >in English, either; *"I will have better", *"I would have >had better", *"I have better".... So definitely an idiom.
All true for my 'lect also, though the tense of the dependent verb can be modified - cf. "I'd better have finished before the boss gets back.", with future perfect meaning. It seems to me that the construction is syntactically parallel to modal auxiliaries - cf.: "I should go." / "I'd better go." "I should have gone." / "I'd better have gone." "My father said there'd be trouble if I didn't mow the lawn, so I guess I should." / "...so I guess I better had." "Should" may occur, as in the last example, without (or *as*?) a main verb, when it's stressed for focus - this can also occur in a main clause: "My father said I *should*, but I won't." "My father said I better *had*, but I won't." Is it perhaps the case that "better had" is the allo-, er, -morph? -lex??, well, the form that "had better" takes when it's stressed and/or acting as a main verb? Jonathan.