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Re: SURVEY: Idiomatic Expressions In Your ConLang Or ConCulture

From:R A Brown <ray@...>
Date:Sunday, November 20, 2005, 7:43
Henrik Theiling wrote:
> Hi! > > R A Brown <ray@...> writes:
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>>that affixes need to be _precisely_ defined. I cannot have vaguely >>defined concepts like "association", "special", "general" which then in >>practice overlap one another in quite unpredictable ways. And if there >>to be antonym & complement affixes, these need to be clearly defined and >>applied strictly & consistently. > > > Ok. In West-Greenlandic, my favourite cited example is the school, > the 'learning-place'. It is a derivation of 'learn' + 'place'. The > 'place' derivation is clearly defined, much more so than 'association' > and the other things you list. Would you say that the interpretation > of 'learning-place' as 'school' is an idiom?
No - since the meaning can reasonably be deduced from the two elements.
>It is obviously a specialisation.
In a way - but 'school' is surely the most general "learning place".
> I understand that you will not have derivation of this kind, since > words will get too long, but I'm simply interested in whether you'd > call this idiomatic derivation.
What I would call 'idiomatic derivation' are things like "evue": e- v- u- e be-ASSOCIATION-one-AUGMENT = "corporation"
> >>As to compounding of lexical morphemes, I have no problem with that >>per_se, but I do not want to have idiomatic compounding. > > > Ok, so adhoc/ambiguity is ok, but idiomatic is not?
It certainly is not. I do not know why you assume it is.
>>... >>Something totally different? I don't know what that would be. > > > I just thought you might have come up with some other concept. > Conlangers often do innovative stuff :-))
Maybe it's the lack of 'innovativeness' that has caused Piashi to be so long in the making :=(
> > Lexicon is hard for me, too. Not so much due to it consisting of > many, many single entries, but more so to find the right design, the > system behind all those lexicon entries. Satisfaction is hard to > achieve here...
It is indeed! -- Ray ================================== ray@carolandray.plus.com http://www.carolandray.plus.com ================================== MAKE POVERTY HISTORY

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