Re: Fluid-S pivot in Old Albic
|From:||Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@...>|
|Date:||Thursday, August 11, 2005, 15:43|
Thomas Wier wrote:
> Joerg wrote:
> > > 1.) Are you aware of any natlangs that have any parts of Old Albic's
> > > system?
> > Of the languages I know of, Georgian seems to come closest to it
> > (I even seem to remember reading about a fluid-S pivot in Georgian,
> > but I am not sure)
> It's a little more complicated than that in Georgian. In the present
> and aorist series, there is a standard accusative pivot: intransitives
> always obligatorily corefer with the agent of a transitive clause.
> The trick is in the perfect series, where indeed there seems to be
> a fluid-S pivot.
Yes; this is how I remember it as well.
> What's more, it seems to be sensitive to discourse
> structure, since when you focus the object to OSV order, suddenly
> only an accusative pivot (which is weird, since if it were just
> pragmatically determined you'd expect that focusing the object would
> force a Split-S rather than Fluid-S pivot).
> So, I would say that
> the Georgian facts are not so close. I seem to vaguely remember that
> Acehnese has some odd pivot facts like this; check out Yehuda Falk's
> _Explaining Subjecthood_ (which is available for free in PDF format
> on his website).
> As far as I know, no one but me has done research on Georgian pivots,
> so I'm your likely source on that factoid.
Yes. It was you, and I also remember that you wrote that the pivot
is fluid-S only in the perfect series, while being accusative in the
present and aorist series.