Re: OT: Prayer, ritual and magic // was conlang website

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:54:38 +0930, Adrian Morgan
<morg0072@...> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Mangiat wrote:
>
>> No second chances. But why couldn't God come to take us from Hell? To
>> say it with Ockham, if He did it, it'd *have* be a good thing. Some
>> mystics proposed a theory which holds that God loves us so much that He
>> could never let us in Hell.
>
>The idea of universalism has always been common in Christianity, although
>it has never been orthodox. This is the view that, although Hell exists,
>everyone who goes to Hell will eventually go to Heaven. I can produce a
>sizeable list of historic Christian figures who believed this; Origen for
>one. On the other hand, the more extreme view that God would 'never let
>us *in* Hell' does not have an established place in the Christian
>tradition.
>
>As I've said, my own guess is for the view called 'conditional
>immortality'. This can be subdivided into two versions, firstly the view
>that the soul is not naturally immortal but can acquire immortality as a
>gift, and secondly the view (which I hold) that the soul *is* naturally
>immortal but can have this quality taken away.
>
>--
>web.       | Here and there I like to preserve a few islands of sanity
>netyp.com/ | within the vast sea of absurdity which is my mind.
>member/    | After all, you can't survive as an eight foot tall
>dragon     | flesh eating dragon if you've got no concept of reality.
It seems that non-Christians like me are in the minority here. On this
topic I can only say that I have personally experienced both Heaven and
Hell, and lot of other Worlds, too.

Jeff