Re: Impossible Gibberish (was Re: On the design of an ideal language)

Quoting Hanuman Zhang <zhang@...>:

> Methinx that "non-sense" and/or "incorrect" are quite
> socio-culturally-dependent and subjective.
Compare and contrast the random utterances of US President - stress on 'dent' as
in 'dented', 'dentures',  'dense' - George Dubya Bush with the output from a
random text generator or a travesty generator.

Of course, it's only my opinion, but the random text generators and travesty
generators seem more human.
>
> Ferinstanz, to average monolinigual American with the bare minimum of 4
> yrs
> of college or less, James Joyce's _Finnegans Wake_ is impossiblly
> hermetic
Atlanta Nights, by Travis Tea

"Moments later, their young strawberry-auburn-headed waitress attended them
with a pleasing winsome grin full of healthy teeth and gums. Her generous bosom
swept
forward in her tightfitting blouse, unbuttoned precariously and yet full of
devious intent
to reveal the tender rosy heaving flesh under the starched straining cotton."

pg 90.  if the prosy vanilla prose doesn't make you heave ...

"It was time to go to the money man. I can’t imagine. Her voice faded as muddy.
Bruce stood by the short hairs, he.
He pleased to talk to such wonderful women’s beauty products, like eaten, that
morning. From Margaret's lips it told."

pg 235, ditto.

"Penny's his was gorgeous sunshine, on the rail of the clients. "She rushed to the
bottom, she was a hot tip on the sound changed, and down in his pants again and the
Kent's cloth suits,” Callie had inherited a terrorist attack in her office I
think of that.
"Once she got to her rear in Crete.” "

"Behind him, the club’s staff crazed. Of course, “Who knew?” Callie slunk
over at a man with sympathy as he held his pants again to avoid saying anything
white to
speak about the behavior of her tight polka dot dress, the Homeland Security
system and
pulled him through the side. Help! He exclaimed."

pg 239, ditto.

> "non-sense"... and auxlangs like Interlingua or Novial "incorrect,"
> vaguely
> Eurolang gibberish.
>
>
> on 5/1/06 12:27 PM, Paul Bennett at paul-bennett@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: And Rosta <and.rosta@...>
> >> 7. Principle of Semantic Conservation
> >> "There should be no such thing as a "nonsense" or "incorrect"
> phrase."
> >
> > I rather suspect every language has its own colorless green ideas, and
> I
> > rather suspect that at least some utterances will either be
> grammatically
> > incorrect or lexically nonsense.
> >
> > One could argue that the former are by definition outside the
> language, but if
> > they're made by combining valid, defined morphemes in a locally-legal
> way
> > (even if as a whole that results in syntactic garbage), I'd say they
> are still
> > utterances in that language.
> >
> > If one manages to define rules that force every legal string of
> morphemes to
> > be interpretable as a valid utterance (quite a trick in a nontrivial
> language,
> > I imagine), simply selecting weird lexeme combinations could easily
> form a
> > nonsensical phrase.
>
>
> --
> Hanuman Zhang
>
>
>  "One thing foreigners, computers, and poets have in common
> is that they make unexpected linguistic associations." --- Jasia
> Reichardt
>
> > >[...] francophones, hispanophones & speakers
> > of other Romance languages are animists who see sex in in everything!
> >
> > :-D
>


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