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Re: THEORY: h huffnpuffery (was: RE: varia)

From:BP Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Monday, February 7, 2000, 18:14
At 13:31 -0700 6.2.2000, Ed Heil wrote:
> >Yes, voiceless lateral approximants are phonemes in some languages; I >can't remember which ones but Ladgefoed mentions some; I think Tibetan >is one of them, so maybe Boudewijn can confirm this for us.
Those Tibetan "lh"s I've heard didn't differ appreciably from the Icelandic sound, and it is a fact that when I used voiceless lateral approximants in Icelandic words like "hleypa" Icelanders told me I was pronouncing the sound too weak. According to them it "came out as /h/". I think that sums up pretty well why phonemic voiceless laterals tend to be fricative. BTW the sound written "hr" in Tibetan is actually a voiceless retroflex sibilant, so /hl/ being fricative makes sense systemically. /BP B.Philip Jonsson <mailto: bpj@...> <mailto: melroch@...> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~__ Anant' avanaute quettalmar! \ \ __ ____ ____ _____________ ___ __ __ __ / / \ \/___ \\__ \ /___ _____/\ \\__ \\ \ \ \\ \ / / / / / / / \ / /Melroch\ \_/ // / / // / / / / /___/ /_ / /\ \ / /Melarocco\_ // /__/ // /__/ / /_________//_/ \_\/ /Eowine__ / / \___/\_\\___/\_\ I neer Pityancalimeo\ \_____/ /ar/ /_atar Mercasso naan ~~~~~~~~~Cuinondil~~~\_______/~~~\__/~~~Noolendur~~~~~~ || Lenda lenda pellalenda pellatellenda cuivie aiya! || "A coincidence, as we say in Middle-Earth" (JRR Tolkien)