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Re: Tolkien's notion of biology

From:Thomas R. Wier <trwier@...>
Date:Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 7:05
From:    Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
> A friend commented thus on the link > that started this thjread: > > > I didn't quite see the linguistic element in > > this critique of "ethnicity" in Middle-earth. > > Given that we have Dunedain (and some Hobbits) > > speaking Sindarin, while Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, > > Hobbits and Rohirrim are speaking Common Speech, > > and that neither "Elf" nor "Orc" maps neatly onto > > a single language, and "Hobbit" doesn't map at all, > > I have to wonder whether the author is confusing > > Tolkien with Dungeons and Dragons. Hm.
Far be it from me to speak for the author of the blog-entry, but I would stop to point out two things: (1) It's quite possible that Mr. Liberman was unaware of that any mixing of language and race existed at all in Tolkien's world. (2) Even if he is thus aware, it is surprising that there is not significantly more mixing of races and language. The so-called races that exist in this world are thoroughly and completely mixed: the indigenous people of America can be sorted into three distinct genetic grouping (cf. Cavalli Sforza 1997?), and yet they are, pace Greenberg, divided into no less than many dozens of completely unrelated language families. The inverse can also be true: while Africa is home IIRC to five of the six major genetic subgroupings of _Homo sapiens sapiens_, it is home to no more than four major language phyla (Afro-Asiatic, Niger-Congo, Khoisan, Nilo-Saharan). Given the length of time humans have inhabited Africa, this is perhaps somewhat surprising. .. the point to take home being that Tolkien's world does not have such a profound mismatch. ========================================================================= Thomas Wier "I find it useful to meet my subjects personally, Dept. of Linguistics because our secret police don't get it right University of Chicago half the time." -- octogenarian Sheikh Zayed of 1010 E. 59th Street Abu Dhabi, to a French reporter. Chicago, IL 60637

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