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Re: CHAT: Definite/Indefinite Article Distinction

From:Dirk Elzinga <dirk_elzinga@...>
Date:Monday, September 9, 2002, 16:35
At 8:54 PM -0300 9/6/02, Pablo David Flores wrote:
>Karapcik, Mike <KarapcM@...> writes: > >> Japanese doesn't have articles. The dactyls kore/sore/are and >> kono/sono/ano are sometimes used like a definite article, though they both >> basically mean this/that/that over yonder. (If I remember correctly, "kore" >> is a non-possessed thing, and "kono" is a possessed thing. > >Actually, "kore" functions like a noun, and "kono" >as an adjective. It's the difference between "this" >in "this tree" and in "this is a tree". > >Also, aren't those called "deictics"? > >Japanese has three levels of deixis (this/that/yonder) >as you said, same as Spanish (este/ese/aquel), where >English has two. A more complicated system, anybody? :)
At the risk of getting lost in the crowd, here's a sketch of Shoshoni's rather complex but pretty nifty deixis system. Deictic words are always morphologically complex. There is a prefix which indicates relative distance/visibility/definiteness and a handful of bound bases to which these prefixes attach. The prefixes are: si-, i- 'here' sai-, ai- 'here (but further away than si-, i-)' sa-, a- 'there (but in sight)' su-, u- 'there (out of sight)' The prefixes with /s/ have definite reference and indicate old information; the prefixes without /s/ usually have indefinite reference or refer to new information. There is an additional prefix ma- which overlaps si-, sai-. For the demonstratives, there's a tidy little system which differentiates number (singular, dual, plural) and case (nominative, accusative; genitive is the same as the accusative with a suffixed -n): -ten 'place(NOM.SG)' (siten, saiten, saten, suten) -kka 'place(ACC.SG)' (sikka, saikka, sakka, sukka) -teweh 'place(NOM.DU)' (siteweh, saiteweh, sateweh, suteweh) -tehi 'place(ACC.DU)' (sitehi, saitehi, satehi, sutehi) -teen 'place(NOM.PL)' (siteen, saiteen, sateen, suteen) -tii 'place(ACC.PL)' (sitii, saitii, satii, sutii) The form 'suten' is also used as a 3rd person nominative singular pronoun. There is a real 3rd person singular accusative pronoun 'u'. Other deictic bound bases cover a range of locative and manner adverbial meanings. They include: -kkVh 'here/there' (V harmonizes with prefix vowel: sikkih, sukkuh, etc) -sen 'contrastive, presentative; "this is (the one that)"' (usen 'that one') -(i)tten "special kind of" (sitten 'this special kind of', etc) -nni 'manner, way' (sunni 'in that way') -wa'ih 'like' (siwa'ih 'like this') -pai 'then, time; here/there' (supai 'then') -paikan 'amount, much' (sapaikan 'that much') -pun 'over this/that way' (sipun 'over this way') Any of the prefixes may combine with these bound bases to give fairly precise deictic information. Dirk -- Dirk Elzinga Dirk_Elzinga@byu.edu "No theory can exclude everything that is wrong, poor, or even detestable, or include everything that is right, good, or beautiful." - Arnold Schoenberg

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