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Re: Kjaginic: 8 points of articulation

From:Herman Miller <hmiller@...>
Date:Sunday, September 28, 2008, 20:42
Alex Fink wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:20:39 -0400, Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote: > >> I still need to figure out how the possible points of articulation can >> be assigned to these shapes. There could be some flexibility depending >> on language, but one possibility would be something like this: >> >> column 1: bilabial, labiodental >> column 2: dental >> column 3: alveolar >> column 4: post-alveolar, retroflex >> column 5: palatal >> column 6: velar >> column 7: uvular, pharyngeal >> column 8: epiglottal, glottal > > Hm. Of those POAs, you've split up one of the two pairs (bilabial and > labiodental being the other) I think of as most similar, namely pharyngeal > vs. epiglottal. AIUI epiglottals are most of the things we used to think > were pharygeals before epiglottals were widely known of; in any case, > they're similar. > > Dental and alveolar are pretty similar too. Ah well, I suppose you have a /T/. > > Alex
I guess all three of pharyngeal, epiglottal, and glottal could share column 8, since I'm not likely to contrast these. Post-alveolar and retroflex are sharing column 4 since these are allophones in Tirelat. The main concern is that some Tirelat dialects have 5 contrasting POA for fricatives: labiodental, dental, alveolar, post-alveolar (or retroflex), and velar (or palatal). Since Kjaginic doesn't have forms for affricates, I'm using the symbols for stops; some dialects have bilabial stops, dental stops, alveolar affricates, retroflex affricates, and velar stops. On the other hand, the languages I'm concerned with rarely have palatal/velar contrasts. So something like this might be an alternative assignment: column 1: bilabial column 2: labiodental column 3: dental column 4: alveolar column 5: post-alveolar, retroflex column 6: palatal, velar column 7: uvular column 8: pharyngeal, epiglottal, glottal The problem with this is that bilabial vs. labiodental contrasts are unlikely to be needed. Besides, there is a Tirelat dialect that contrasts labial-palatal, palatal, and labial-velar approximants /H j w/, which could be approximated with the bilabial, palatal and velar symbols. Combining the dentals and alveolars in column 2 would leave a column for pharyngeal + epiglottal separate from the others. column 1: bilabial, labiodental column 2: dental, alveolar column 3: post-alveolar, retroflex column 4: palatal column 5: velar column 6: uvular column 7: pharyngeal, epiglottal column 8: glottal But it's more likely that I'll need a dental/alveolar contrast than a three-way palatal/velar/uvular set. And there's also linguolabial to consider. So maybe something like this, where velar can go in column 5 or 6 depending on whether a palatal/velar or velar/uvular contrast is needed, and dental sounds can go into either column 2 or 3. column 1: bilabial, labiodental column 2: linguolabial, dental column 3: dental, alveolar column 4: post-alveolar, retroflex column 5: palatal, velar column 6: velar, uvular column 7: pharyngeal, epiglottal column 8: glottal