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Re: "Voiced aspirates" (was Re: YACQ: Plausibility of a sound change)

From:Eric Christopherson <raccoon@...>
Date:Sunday, February 18, 2001, 7:37
On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 08:38:56PM -0500, Roger Mills wrote:
> Eric Christopherson wrote: > >Wu too? I was originally under the impression that the only languages which > >had them were a few Indic languages and Igbo. I got this from a page > >maintained by former Conlang member Tom Wier, > > : > > > >> Only six > >> of the world's languages have the so-called "voiced aspirates" > >> [bh dh gh] at all. Five are in India (all modern reflexes of Sanskrit); > >> the sixth is Igbo in Africa. > > > >But upon browsing Ladegefod's _Preliminaries to Phonology_ (or something > >like that anyway), I came across more examples of them, which Ladegefod > >calls "murmured stops." And now John says Wu... hmm. Perhaps the > traditional > >PIE reconstruction really isn't so weird after all.> > > Come to think of it, Madurese of Indonesia has voiced aspirates, at least in > the romanized spelling (probably transliterated from a Javanese/Sanskritized > script); but I've never heard the lang. and suspect they may just be > "breathy" or very lax(and in any case not historical), as are the plain > voiced stops (for many speakers) of neighboring Javanese. Interesting > sidebar: Javanese students frequently had trouble hearing "normal" voiced > stops (like Engl. or other regional langs.) and tended to call them > "preglottalized".
Ah, another point for a plain voiced<->glottalized correspondence! -- Eric Christopherson / *Aiworegs Ghristobhorosyo Conlang code: CU !lh:m cN:R:S:G a+ y n2d:1d !R* A-- E L* N1 Id:m k- ia- p+ m- o+ P-- d* b+++ lainesco