Re: "Re-formed" Latin-script writing
From: | Jonathan Chang <zhang2323@...> |
Date: | Monday, May 8, 2000, 2:15 |
>> Yep yep... very true in any language with a long literary history.
>> BUT in the case of emerging pidgins or "Nashun-Langwajz" (& certain
artlangs
>> with radical neo-Futurist aesthetics & tendencies), "Latin-script minimal"
>> semi-fonetik pidjin-spelin iz purhapz dezirubul.
>>
>> zHANg
In a message dated 2000/05/08 12:19:12 AM, Nicole wrote in response to me:
>
>Yes, this is true because you would want the writing system to be simple
>in a pidgin, but you cannot possibly (as Douglas Koller stated earlier)
>map more than 26 phonemes to 26 letters without using diacritics and/or
>digraphs, etc. Furthermore, most languages spoken over a broad area in
>physical space have multiple dialects which are pronounced differently.
>Does each dialect have its own spelling, making it an effectively
>separate language? Not to mention the fact that over time changes would
>constantly occur, and some stable writing system would have to be used.
>In another post you talk about how a pidgin would develop into a stable
>creole, but what language is stable? English? Hardly, and it can't be
>called a brand-new language. And with a language like English, what
>phonetic standard would be used? American, Canadian, English, Irish,
>Scottish, Australian, etc? Even isolated in America: Northeastern,
>Southern, New Yorker, Midwestern, etc? We've had tons of discussions
>regarding phonetic spelling for English on the list in the past, and
>during the last one several people made up phonetic schemes , and each
>was completely different because each person speaks differently. One
>persons phonetic spelling would be, to the next person, just as
>convoluted as traditional English spelling.
>
>Nicole
Also true that languages change. I am no authoritarianistic conlanger &
like the idea of the idea of a language being more or less "flexible."
Take for example Chinese: Chinese has a standard written form that has
united many Chinese "dialects" (many which are actually ancient tribal
languages as "different" as German is from French, etc.).
I think written Standard English (if there is such a thing) is in a
comparable position. It's interesting how 3rd World nations like India,
Jamica, & Singapore have their own "individualistic Englishes." [ Hinglish -
from India- has influenced some of my English due to the fact that my father
is from SouthEast Asia & we Changs not only have Indian friends, but
relatives].
Then there is, of course, the English-based Pidgins... which are IMHO
"mutant Englishes"... & are practically "foreign languages" in their own
right (with their right to maintain that "autonomy")
[ Mutating English seems to be a good approach for an English-speaking
"beginner conlanger." ]
mutatis mutandi, baby...
zHANg