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Re: YAEPT: Australian Milo

From:Tristan Alexander McLeay <conlang@...>
Date:Saturday, July 1, 2006, 14:54
On 01/07/06, Philip Newton <philip.newton@...> wrote:

> Strange; I thought it would be /Q/ only (which is my vowel in "what", > for example, which presumably influenced my expectation -- something > like "/w/ + |a| + stop in closed syllable makes the |a| into /Q/" or > the like). But then, I don't think I've ever heard the word spoken, so > this is a spelling pronunciation. > > I also use /Q/ in "wattle (and daub)" and "WATCOM" and "Wapping"; > again, though I don't know whether that's correct or not, since I > don't think I've heard either word pronounced.
You pronounce "wattle" correctly --- I don't know about "WATCOM" or "Wapping", but I would've said them the same too. (I have no idea what "wattle and daub" means, to me, wattle is a kind of tree and its flower, and the source of the green & gold of Australia's sporting colors.)
> Strangely, though, I have /&/ in "whack" and "wacky" and "WAP", so the > rule is apparently not as simple as "/w/ + |a| + stop" -- if there is, > indeed, a rule at all.
There is such a rule; it occurs before all consonants except velars. The syllable doesn't need to be closed, either. So "wag", "whack", "wax" have /&(:)/, but "waffle", "wattle", "wander" etc. have the same vowel as "lot". Obviously before <r> in closed syllables, you get the same vowel as in "north" (or "force"? I don't know; they're the same for me). For some reason also in "water" I have /o:/ which is the same as the "north", but I don't actually know what it is for other dialects that distinguish north/force/thought. And yes, it also usually applies after consonants, so "dwarf", "quarter", "Qantas", "twat" would be expected to follow it, and IME do. (Incidentally, I never knew "twat" was a swear word, nor that it referred to female genitalia. I just thought it was a bit of a light & dated insult. Well within the range of what a teacher might say to a student they considered mature in reference to someone else.) The mobile internet thingy known as "WAP" is usually pronounced /w&p/ tho, and some other neologisms don't follow it. OTOH, there's "Qantas" as above, and a lot of Australian place names from Aboriginal words start with "Wa-" too, like "Warrigul", and they tend to follow it (thus /wOrig@l/). -- Tristan.


Keith Gaughan <kmgaughan@...>