GROUPLANG: cases (was: noun and verb roots)
|From:||Pablo Flores <fflores@...>|
|Date:||Friday, October 16, 1998, 2:46|
Mathias M. Lassailly wrote:
>Thanks :-) We understood each other although we don't use the same names for cases
>is actually 'agentive' and your 'undergoer' is 'absolutive' :-) But I let down
>case issues now : they
>will pop out again later re. negative causative and factitive we don't have discussed yet.
Wait, don't go yet! :-)
I wouldn't like to face trouble with cases again, a month from now
or so. Let's make a uniform terminology.
I'll mention all the cases we have been dealing with so far,
and you tell us what you call them:
THE DOG bit me
The dog bit ME
HE sees us
The dog BIT me
THE RED dog bit me
(determinant) (also serves as genitive/possessive)
A RED dog bit me
(modifier) (also serves as genitive)
Now, there are some other possibilities:
(factitive?) -> this could be merged with agent.
The dog is red
A dog is an animal
These two could be shown by making the dog the theme.
--> dog, pred-red "The dog, it is red"
dog, pred-animal "The dog, it's an animal"
The lack of case inflection and the pause would mark
the theme; you can't possibly misinterpret something like
"The dog was reddened" (which would be [patient-dog pred-red]).
I mean, you could, but context would tell you it's not probable.
dog, caus-I pred-red
would probably mean "I made the dog red".
What I'm trying to do here is to show you that there's
a way to reduce the complexity of the case system by merging
some related functions into a single case, and letting word
order and context do the rest. I find the 10-case system very
interesting but too difficult to use... I don't know if the
rest of us feel the same.