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Re: Hi there & Blitherings

From:Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Date:Tuesday, July 9, 2002, 21:52
Barbara Barrett wrote:
> I've just re-joined after a few years away
I thought the name sounded familiar. :-) Welcome back!
> "Coutts-Barrett"
Ah, yes, I remember that one. :-) I liked it, nice and sensible. Unfortunately, it's also unfamiliar to most people. :-( It's on the ASCII-IPA page at http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/ascii-ipa.html
> > Steg Stuttered; > > Now, a lot of times |u| is pronounced as a diphthong whose first part is > > [j]. > > You'd think that wouldn't you? I know I did. But apparently phoneticians > say rather that the consonant has been palletized.
I'd disagree because those "palatized consonants" can only precede /u/ and /r=/, *[pja] is not a legal cluster, but [pju] and [pjr=] are. It seems an easier explanation to say that there are diphthongs /ju/ and /jr=/, altho the [j] part may be *phonetically* realized as palatization.
> Other consonants like t and d are palletized in British English who say > for tune and dune /tjun/ and /djun/ rather than /tu:n/ /du:n/.
/tju/ and /dju/ exist in some American dialects, too. I say /tjuzdej/ for example. I don't think I have /dju/, tho. -- "There's no such thing as 'cool'. Everyone's just a big dork or nerd, you just have to find people who are dorky the same way you are." - overheard ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-Name: NikTaylor42