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Re: Fluency in one's language, and the ROE

From:BP Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Thursday, April 6, 2000, 19:21
At 11:52 06.4.2000 -0700, Sally Caves wrote:

>****** >Shall we invent an expression for the resistant outsider? I just had >another resistant outsider encounter (ROE) when I disclosed my Secret >Vice... which is rapidly becoming not so secret.
To me it actually sounds a lot like the average non-linguist's reaction to what linguists do: I mean that most people think that linguists are fluent in a lot of languages. They don't expect neither the theoretical study of language, nor the kind of passive mastery of a language common among philologists and classicists. IME people get more disturbed when they hear that I'm a Buddhist than when they hear that I'm conlanging, and this in a country that prides itself of being the most secularized country on earth! :-)
>ROE: Why would you want to do that? >Me: For the intellectual challenge, for the beauty. >ROE: But you could do other things. That people could understand. >Me: There's a whole society of us who communicate about this. >ROE: But why? What's the point? >Me: What's the point of making model railroads? >ROE: But other people can see them. >Me: That's true... a language is kind of invisible. But it has aural >beauty. >ROE: But it's meaningless unless somebody else understands what you're >saying. >Me: Well, it's like making a system. A logical system. A system of >meanings. Like making maps. Like designing cities. >ROE: I can understand a map. But I can't understand this. Does >anybody else > speak your language with you? >Me: No. >ROE: Then I don't understand why you do it. >Me: I wrote an article about it. >ROE: You'd better show it to me! > >(I think I might have a convert here! Want to bet? <G>
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