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Re: OFF-TOPIC: Non linguistics books by Chomsky

From:Thomas R. Wier <trwier@...>
Date:Saturday, May 22, 2004, 8:01
From:    John Cowan <cowan@...>
> Chris Bates scripsit: > > I wasn't aware Chomsky had written any books about politics > > but the book itself is very interesting, and very convincing... > > Chomsky was a leftist long before he was a linguist, and has been > more or less continuously denouncing American foreign policy since > the Vietnam War.
Indeed; in one of Chomsky's biographies, it is noted that Chomsky claims to have come to some of his seminal political conclusions at the age of something like nine, which strikes many of his political detractors as entirely implausible, or if true, it means the opinion preceded rational reasons for holding that opinion. At any rate, either possibility is a good window on the darker, more Messianic side of Chomsky.
> (Which in Vietnam is called the American War, not > illogically.) You can easily find American yahoos who will denounce > Chomskyan linguistics, and indeed linguistics generally, as a criminal > enterprise on the strength of Chomsky's political opinions.
In my experience, the vast majority of people who have any opinion about Chomsky's views on linguistics whatsoever are people highly trained in linguistic methodologies, if not actually professional linguists themselves. Most of the rest of the (educated) world either ignores or is ignorant of his views on linguistics. Indeed, it is not clear to me that Chomsky would be at all famous outside linguistics were he not so well-known for his nonlinguistic opinions.
> I agree with most of what he says (as opposed to what he is *said* > to have said),
One problem is that much of what he said has been second-hand. For example, John Goldsmith was a student of Chomsky's, and I am a student of John Goldsmith's, so to the extent that Goldsmith mentions Chomsky around the departmental lounge and in social gatherings and classes, I have heard a number of unpublished anecdotes and opinions concerning him. (One concerning Chomsky's unwillingness to credit Zellig Harris with basic conceptualizations of generative grammar comes to mind.) Another problem is that Chomsky hedges himself so tightly that it is often difficult to pin down what he's actually saying. Jackendoff notes this in his recent book _Foundations of Language_, where Chomsky appears to say one thing in a kind of tentative, suggestive manner on one page, and then a few pages later makes the same claim quite categorically. Another problem is that much of what he says is dogma, where theory informs fact rather than vice versa, such as when he suggests that the communes in the Spanish Civil War were leading to the kind of anarcho- syndicalist paradise he envisions for the future of humanity. That claim in particular cannot be falsified (no counterfactual reality can), so it takes a great deal of detailed understanding of the events about which he makes claims to have an opinion about his claim one way or another.
> but I find his prose style almost impenetrable.
I think pretty much everyone will agree with you on this point, except perhaps for the hagiographers, like Robert Barsky. This is actually not just a problem of style; like Kant, it gives him an aura of infallibility because most people are simply unwilling to follow through to check his logic and facts.
> > book gives a very coherent and well thought out argument against it > > which I find myself agreeing with completely. Has anyone else read it? > > Not that one in particular. It usually makes sense to read just the > latest Chomsky book, as it tends to recapitulate (with corrections) > the earlier books.
The problem is that to my knowledge he has never explicitly acknowledged any errors of his thought, either in linguistics or otherwise. Most bizarrely to those who do not subscribe to his views, the current recension of Minimalism is considered to be in most fundamental respects the same as his work in the mid-60s, even though he has jettisoned the most salient aspect of _Syntactic Structures_ or _Aspects of the Theory of Syntax_: deep (or D-) structure. Chomsky actually still cites SS and Aspects today as if they were still relevant to the MP. ========================================================================= Thomas Wier "I find it useful to meet my subjects personally, Dept. of Linguistics because our secret police don't get it right University of Chicago half the time." -- octogenarian Sheikh Zayed of 1010 E. 59th Street Abu Dhabi, to a French reporter. Chicago, IL 60637

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