Theiling Online    Sitemap    Conlang Mailing List HQ   

Re: Evolving a Pidgin (was Re: Reduction and Grammaticalization)

From:Arthaey Angosii <arthaey@...>
Date:Tuesday, December 28, 2004, 8:27
Emaelivpeith Thomas R. Wier:
> Chris Bates wrote: > > Just out of interest, I'm thinking about designing a pidgin-style > > language (I need to research more how pidgins tend to be deficient as > > compared to creoles and other languages) and then trying to do a massive > > amount of grammaticalization + sound changes [...] It would be a more > > interesting project than most "evolve a language from a proto-language" > > project where the proto-language tend to already be "complete". > > I should probably warn you that most Creolists no longer believe > in this view of creoles and pidgins. It's been fairly clearly > shown by the likes of Michel Degraff and Salikoko Mufwene that > creoles do not evolve out of pidgins, and that languages often > called pidgins are often every bit as complete as regular languages. > But otherwise, I think the project is an interesting one.
Oh dear! This is what I had been led to believe was the current thought on pidgin > creole formation. Could you possibly point me to a website or paper (on- or offline) that discusses this? -- AA (watch the Reply-To!)

Reply

Chris Bates <chris.maths_student@...>