Re: Strange sounds
|From:||Kristian Jensen <kljensen@...>|
|Date:||Tuesday, February 29, 2000, 17:30|
John Cowan wrote:
I must agree with John here, whether the tongue touches the
lower teeth or not is irrelevant. AFAI-can-tell laminal
sounds in the alveolar region would always have the tongue
touching the lower teeth.
>> I think Kristian may be right here, John, since his
>> description looks more like what I described (the
>> sound is really made with the teeth and the blade
>> of the tongue -- there's contact with the alveola
>> and the palatal ridge, but no sound produced *there*.
>I realize that. The official IPA chart at http://www2.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/fullchart.html
>the term "alveolo-palatal" for curly-tail-c and curly-tail-z,
>which are definitely articulated as you describe:
>> Maybe you missed the important part of the description,
>> that the tip of the tongue touches the *lower* teeth
>> while the upper teeth press the blade.
>No, that is characteristic of these sounds. Actually,
>alveolo-laminar would be a better descriptive name IMHO.
>> Anyway, thanks to you both -- now I know two different
>> sounds instead of one!
>I think more likely two different names.
No, I think more likely two different sounds. I have seen
palatograms of what the IPA chart calls "alveolo-palatal"
and the palatograms do not indicate that the blade touches
the upper teeth. Pablo described the sound as having laminal
tongue-contact with the upper teeth. Palatograms labeled
denti-alveolar (or lamino-dental) do just that.