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Re: Strange sounds

From:Kristian Jensen <kljensen@...>
Date:Tuesday, February 29, 2000, 17:30
John Cowan wrote:

>FFlores wrote: > >> I think Kristian may be right here, John, since his >> description looks more like what I described (the >> sound is really made with the teeth and the blade >> of the tongue -- there's contact with the alveola >> and the palatal ridge, but no sound produced *there*. > >I realize that. The official IPA chart at uses >the term "alveolo-palatal" for curly-tail-c and curly-tail-z, >which are definitely articulated as you describe: > >> Maybe you missed the important part of the description, >> that the tip of the tongue touches the *lower* teeth >> while the upper teeth press the blade. > >No, that is characteristic of these sounds. Actually, >alveolo-laminar would be a better descriptive name IMHO.
I must agree with John here, whether the tongue touches the lower teeth or not is irrelevant. AFAI-can-tell laminal sounds in the alveolar region would always have the tongue touching the lower teeth.
>> Anyway, thanks to you both -- now I know two different >> sounds instead of one! > >I think more likely two different names.
No, I think more likely two different sounds. I have seen palatograms of what the IPA chart calls "alveolo-palatal" and the palatograms do not indicate that the blade touches the upper teeth. Pablo described the sound as having laminal tongue-contact with the upper teeth. Palatograms labeled denti-alveolar (or lamino-dental) do just that. -kristian- 8)