Re: Conlang Books - ASP & CL101
| From: | Sai Emrys <sai@...> |
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| Date: | Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 6:36 |
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> I might be able to contribute an article/essay on becoming
> fluent in one's own conlang, based on my experiences and
> a survey of other people who have done so. I haven't
> forgotten my intention to do a talk on that subject at the
> next LCC assuming I'm able to go, though I haven't yet
> found time to do the survey.
That would be great. Techniques, actual stories / anecodtes, ...
perhaps counteract the "it'll never be anything but a model" argument.
> > The other book - on teaching constructive linguistics - needs authors,
> > auxlangers and engelangers. (Its title is currently "Language
> > Creation: From conception to fruition", formerly "Constructive
> > Linguistics 101", or CL101 for short.)
>
> I can work on this some, particularly in the design and exposition
> of the engelang. You might try recruiting on the AUXLANG list
> for designers of the auxlang example material. If you can't find
> anyone else (or not many) I can work on the auxlang as well.
Invites sent to writely & backpack. :-) I guess I should sign up to
AUXLANG then...
> It seems likely that most chapters will need to be collaborations
> to some extent, no? Suppose persons A, B, C are the primary
> designers of the artlang, engelang and auxlang respectively,
> then if person D is the primary writer of the chapter on morphology,
> they will probably want to get contributions from A, B, and C
> for the examples of how morphology is developed in those
> conlangs, rather than person D writing all those passages
> themselves based on the behind-the-scenes specs written
> by A, B, and C.
Oh, in that sense, of course. That can be taken care of by in large
part by the conlang groups for each of the three and the editors as
gobetweens, though I'll be trying to guide the conlang groups to
writing copy themselves (or something approaching copy at least). So a
lot of the examples for each chapter can be drop-in examples from the
conlang groups, then tweaked to fit well.
I was talking more about collaboration on the other content of the chapter.
> Remember that Wikibooks and Wikipedia are under Creative
> Commons licensing, so we can re-use material from the Conlang
> wikibook and various linguistics and conlanging-related
> Wikipedia articles with credit. I'm not sure how specific the
> credit needs to be to comply with the license, e.g. would each
> chapter need to have credits saying it takes material from
> these specific WP or WB articles, or is it OK if the book as a
> whole has credits saying some material throughout is
> taken from these sources, or what? Need to study the license
> agreement.
I've taken a look at the license. A couple things that bother me (and
I'd appreciate someone with a better knowledge of them answering):
* a requirement for text on the front / back cover
* a copyleft requirement for any "modifications" - e.g. does the
entire book then become required to come under the same CC license,
and not just the borrowed parts?
* like you said, how specifically do we need to (or can we) call out content?
* can this all be avoided by simply using them as *references* and
citing as a source per usual, rather than using the copyrighted
content per se?
What exactly do you mean by 'semantics' here?
> And it might make sense
> to put the chapter on orthography either right
> after phonology, or at/near the end -- its position between
> "Signed language" and "Vocab generation" doesn't
> make sense to me.
*nod* Agreed. I'll put it after sound & sign.
- Sai
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